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Joe Rogan and Ben Greenfield on The Health Benefits of Infrared Vs Dry Saunas
00:00let me ask you this what's the benefit let me ask you this what's the benefit of infrared sauna versus traditional of infrared sauna versus traditional of infrared sauna versus traditional song is there a benefit so the idea is song is there a benefit so the idea is song is there a benefit so the idea is it's cooler you know I do have an it's cooler you know I do have an it's cooler you know I do have an infrared here no way so you walk into infrared here no way so you walk into infrared here no way so you walk into the infrareds like 155 to 158 degrees the infrareds like 155 to 158 degrees the infrareds like 155 to 158 degrees most of them there's a couple that'll go most of them there's a couple that'll go most of them there's a couple that'll go up to like 170 even though the air is up to like 170 even though the air is up to like 170 even though the air is cooler the actual photons of light that cooler the actual photons of light that cooler the actual photons of light that are being released by the panel's this are being released by the panel's this are being released by the panel's this year you're surrounded by infrared year you're surrounded by infrared year you're surrounded by infrared panels while you're in there panels while you're in there panels while you're in there those penetrate more deeply into tissue those penetrate more deeply into tissue those penetrate more deeply into tissue so you wind up getting a deeper sweat so you wind up getting a deeper sweat so you wind up getting a deeper sweat you sweat for a longer time you can stay you sweat for a longer time you can stay you sweat for a longer time you can stay in there longer because it's not quite in there longer because it's not quite in there longer because it's not quite as hot but you look at like the studies as hot but you look at like the studies as hot but you look at like the studies out of Finland all right these these out of Finland all right these these out of Finland all right these these studies that show four to five year studies that show four to five year studies that show four to five year lifespan increases from a from a weekly lifespan increases from a from a weekly lifespan increases from a from a weekly sauna protocol of you know I think it's sauna protocol of you know I think it's sauna protocol of you know I think it's like four times a week for 20 to 30 like four times a week for 20 to 30 like four times a week for 20 to 30 minutes and the significant drop in minutes and the significant drop in minutes and the significant drop in dementia and Alzheimer's and a lot of dementia and Alzheimer's and a lot of dementia and Alzheimer's and a lot of these these mortality risk factors and these these mortality risk factors and these these mortality risk factors and you look at the studies that have been you look at the studies that have been you look at the studies that have been done in athletes where you get almost a
01:00done in athletes where you get almost a done in athletes where you get almost a wreath ropo eaten like like a blood wreath ropo eaten like like a blood wreath ropo eaten like like a blood doping effect from sauna exposure when doping effect from sauna exposure when doping effect from sauna exposure when done post-workout and right you stay in done post-workout and right you stay in done post-workout and right you stay in there for 20 to 30 minutes post-workout there for 20 to 30 minutes post-workout there for 20 to 30 minutes post-workout all of these were done in a dry sauna all of these were done in a dry sauna all of these were done in a dry sauna yeah that's why I use it dry sauna as yeah that's why I use it dry sauna as yeah that's why I use it dry sauna as per run to Patrick's recommendation I per run to Patrick's recommendation I per run to Patrick's recommendation I just got that because she said there's just got that because she said there's just got that because she said there's no real studies like that on an infrared no real studies like that on an infrared no real studies like that on an infrared there's a few metal that so they've there's a few metal that so they've there's a few metal that so they've analyzed metal and detoxification and analyzed metal and detoxification and analyzed metal and detoxification and some of these infrared saunas and they some of these infrared saunas and they some of these infrared saunas and they have found that that you release more have found that that you release more have found that that you release more through your sweat you get a deeper through your sweat you get a deeper through your sweat you get a deeper sweat so if your goal is something like sweat so if your goal is something like sweat so if your goal is something like detoxification like when I'm in that I'm detoxification like when I'm in that I'm detoxification like when I'm in that I'm [ __ ] drenched like how could I get [ __ ] drenched like how could I get [ __ ] drenched like how could I get more out of that have you tried like a more out of that have you tried like a more out of that have you tried like a like trial like a 30 minute infrared like trial like a 30 minute infrared like trial like a 30 minute infrared versus yeah I have I I'm an idiot so I versus yeah I have I I'm an idiot so I versus yeah I have I I'm an idiot so I don't feel like I'm suffering as much so don't feel like I'm suffering as much so don't feel like I'm suffering as much so I don't like it when you're in the I don't like it when you're in the I don't like it when you're in the infrared you don't feel like yourself infrared you don't feel like yourself infrared you don't feel like yourself exactly yeah see that's the thing is and exactly yeah see that's the thing is and exactly yeah see that's the thing is and maybe I'm jaded because I'm my infrared maybe I'm jaded because I'm my infrared maybe I'm jaded because I'm my infrared like I've got it I've got a kettlebell like I've got it I've got a kettlebell like I've got it I've got a kettlebell in there I've put my bike in there okay
02:00in there I've put my bike in there okay in there I've put my bike in there okay Olga in there when I go in there at Olga in there when I go in there at Olga in there when I go in there at night actually like I was telling you night actually like I was telling you night actually like I was telling you we're talking about those those massage we're talking about those those massage we're talking about those those massage devices those they saw out there yes so devices those they saw out there yes so devices those they saw out there yes so right this alas ones are like a PSO RIT right this alas ones are like a PSO RIT right this alas ones are like a PSO RIT you're like a shiv and you're like a shiv and you're like a shiv and love those they open up your cellar they love those they open up your cellar they love those they open up your cellar they open up unique working on a lot of open up unique working on a lot of open up unique working on a lot of different body parts hmm um anyway so different body parts hmm um anyway so different body parts hmm um anyway so I'll have stuff like that in there and I'll have stuff like that in there and I'll have stuff like that in there and occasionally do body work but I actually occasionally do body work but I actually occasionally do body work but I actually move I exercise in the sauna there's a move I exercise in the sauna there's a move I exercise in the sauna there's a sauna that's designed for that what the sauna that's designed for that what the sauna that's designed for that what the [ __ ] is that called again there's a [ __ ] is that called again there's a [ __ ] is that called again there's a specific sauna that a lot of UFC guys in specific sauna that a lot of UFC guys in specific sauna that a lot of UFC guys in Vegas and they're building them in gyms Vegas and they're building them in gyms Vegas and they're building them in gyms I know Winkeljohn gym Mike um like a TV I know Winkeljohn gym Mike um like a TV I know Winkeljohn gym Mike um like a TV panel in there yeah yeah they have panel in there yeah yeah they have panel in there yeah yeah they have televisions in there so you can even televisions in there so you can even televisions in there so you can even watch things like watch like watch things like watch like watch things like watch like directionals or watch some sort of directionals or watch some sort of directionals or watch some sort of instructional video on exercise yeah instructional video on exercise yeah instructional video on exercise yeah that's what I think they're doing is that's what I think they're doing is that's what I think they're doing is they're trying to have you do your they're trying to have you do your they're trying to have you do your workout like you look at a screen and it workout like you look at a screen and it workout like you look at a screen and it sauna and you do your workout why you sauna and you do your workout why you sauna and you do your workout why you look at this gets a bit spa I think it's look at this gets a bit spa I think it's look at this gets a bit spa I think it's called fits something like that yeah called fits something like that yeah called fits something like that yeah but the the the the hot one that I go
03:00but the the the the hot one that I go but the the the the hot one that I go into mean I sweat so much I have a hard into mean I sweat so much I have a hard into mean I sweat so much I have a hard time believing I would sweat more time believing I would sweat more time believing I would sweat more anywhere else I mean I'm literally anywhere else I mean I'm literally anywhere else I mean I'm literally pouring sweat and I keep that [ __ ] pouring sweat and I keep that [ __ ] pouring sweat and I keep that [ __ ] around 190 degrees yeah so I'm I'm around 190 degrees yeah so I'm I'm around 190 degrees yeah so I'm I'm really ideal scenario I would like it I really ideal scenario I would like it I really ideal scenario I would like it I don't have a dry sauna but I would like don't have a dry sauna but I would like don't have a dry sauna but I would like to get a barrel sauna because I have the to get a barrel sauna because I have the to get a barrel sauna because I have the the infrared in my basement it's one of the infrared in my basement it's one of the infrared in my basement it's one of those big ones like the four-person those big ones like the four-person those big ones like the four-person infrared sauna mmm that you can get into infrared sauna mmm that you can get into infrared sauna mmm that you can get into an exercise you can you can yo get more an exercise you can you can yo get more an exercise you can you can yo get more people do yoga what not and I'm you know people do yoga what not and I'm you know people do yoga what not and I'm you know six too but I can get into like a full six too but I can get into like a full six too but I can get into like a full down dog into lunge or whatever but I'd down dog into lunge or whatever but I'd down dog into lunge or whatever but I'd love to have a dry sauna as well what is love to have a dry sauna as well what is love to have a dry sauna as well what is it Barris on a barrel sauna is a it's it Barris on a barrel sauna is a it's it Barris on a barrel sauna is a it's like a big barrel you've probably seen like a big barrel you've probably seen like a big barrel you've probably seen him before there they got benches on him before there they got benches on him before there they got benches on either side they're shaped like a like a either side they're shaped like a like a either side they're shaped like a like a cylinder they're they're very popular cylinder they're they're very popular cylinder they're they're very popular they build up a lot of heat I think even they build up a lot of heat I think even they build up a lot of heat I think even the shape of the barrel somehow allows the shape of the barrel somehow allows the shape of the barrel somehow allows the heat to be distributed more evenly the heat to be distributed more evenly the heat to be distributed more evenly through the sauna or something like that through the sauna or something like that through the sauna or something like that almost like a treasure grill okay yeah
04:00almost like a treasure grill okay yeah almost like a treasure grill okay yeah looks like yeah so I've got what I did looks like yeah so I've got what I did looks like yeah so I've got what I did was I bought learn it oh he's on those was I bought learn it oh he's on those was I bought learn it oh he's on those endless pools that you swim against endless pools that you swim against endless pools that you swim against Jamie go to that one in the upper Jamie go to that one in the upper Jamie go to that one in the upper right-hand corner with the bubble on the right-hand corner with the bubble on the right-hand corner with the bubble on the outside of it that looks [ __ ] awesome outside of it that looks [ __ ] awesome outside of it that looks [ __ ] awesome yeah keep that sucker in your backyard I yeah keep that sucker in your backyard I yeah keep that sucker in your backyard I was at a guy's house in Santa mom yeah and it heats up the same way that yeah and it heats up the same way that some sort of a power source attached to some sort of a power source attached to some sort of a power source attached to that yeah that's pretty badass that yeah that's pretty badass that yeah that's pretty badass see I want to get one of those and just see I want to get one of those and just see I want to get one of those and just put it out in the forest I can look out put it out in the forest I can look out put it out in the forest I can look out with the cedar barrel saw yeah looks with the cedar barrel saw yeah looks with the cedar barrel saw yeah looks [ __ ] good yeah yeah yeah especially [ __ ] good yeah yeah yeah especially [ __ ] good yeah yeah yeah especially if you were in like a cold area and you if you were in like a cold area and you if you were in like a cold area and you could like like that look at that guys could like like that look at that guys could like like that look at that guys getting set up looking over a lake you getting set up looking over a lake you getting set up looking over a lake you could look out into the snow serene yeah
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In the pursuit of wellness and longevity, the ritual of sauna (read the full breakdown) bathing has gained significant attention. Among the various types of saunas, infrared and dry saunas stand out, each offering distinct benefits. Understanding these differences can empower you to make informed choices about your recovery and wellness practices.
Infrared saunas operate at lower temperatures compared to traditional dry saunas, yet they provide deeper tissue penetration. This unique mechanism allows for a more profound sweating experience, which can enhance detoxification and promote relaxation. As we delve into the science behind these two modalities, we will explore how regular sauna use can contribute to increased lifespan and improved cognitive health.
4 times per week for sauna use linked to health benefits 20 to 30 minutes recommended sauna duration per session
Infrared vs. Dry Saunas
The primary distinction between infrared and dry saunas lies in the temperature and the method of heat delivery. Infrared saunas typically operate between 155°F and 170°F, using infrared light to penetrate the skin and warm the body directly. This results in a deeper sweat at lower temperatures, allowing for longer sessions without the discomfort of extreme heat.
In contrast, traditional dry saunas operate at higher temperatures, often exceeding 190°F. The intense heat promotes sweating and can provide immediate relaxation. However, the effectiveness of each sauna type may vary based on individual preferences and health goals.
"Infrared saunas operate at lower temperatures but provide deeper tissue penetration." — Ben Greenfield
You get almost a blood doping effect from sauna exposure when done post-workout.
Health Benefits
Research indicates that regular sauna use—specifically, four to five times a week—can significantly enhance health outcomes. Studies from Finland have shown that this frequency is linked to increased lifespan and a reduced risk of dementia and Alzheimer's disease. Regular sauna bathing not only promotes cardiovascular health but also supports mental clarity and emotional well-being.
As noted in the discussion, "Regular sauna use is linked to increased lifespan and reduced dementia risk." This connection underscores the importance of incorporating sauna rituals into a holistic wellness routine.
Detoxification and Sweat
Sweating is a natural mechanism for detoxification, and saunas can enhance this process. Infrared saunas, in particular, may facilitate deeper sweating, which can aid in the elimination of toxins. Research suggests that infrared saunas can promote a more effective detoxification process through increased sweat production.
This deeper sweat can also lead to a feeling of rejuvenation and clarity. As one speaker remarked, "When I'm in that, I'm drenched." This experience not only cleanses the body but can also foster a sense of mental and physical renewal.
Exercise in Saunas
Innovative sauna designs are emerging that allow for exercise while enjoying the benefits of heat. Some saunas are equipped with features that support physical activity, enabling users to engage in workouts while sweating. This dual approach can enhance cardiovascular benefits and improve overall fitness.
The integration of exercise into sauna sessions reflects a growing trend in wellness. As noted, "There’s a sauna that’s designed for that," highlighting the versatility of modern sauna experiences.
Barrel Saunas
Barrel saunas have gained popularity for their efficient heat distribution and aesthetic appeal. Their unique cylindrical shape allows for even heat circulation, creating a comfortable environment for relaxation and detoxification. Many wellness enthusiasts appreciate the visual and functional aspects of barrel saunas, making them a desirable addition to home wellness sanctuaries.
I sweat so much I have a hard time believing I would sweat more anywhere else.
As one speaker described, "Barrel saunas are popular for their efficient heat distribution and aesthetic appeal." This combination of form and function makes barrel saunas an attractive option for those seeking a premium sauna experience.
Words Worth Hearing
"Barrel saunas are popular for their efficient heat distribution and aesthetic appeal." — Ben Greenfield
Practical Takeaways
Incorporate sauna sessions into your wellness routine, aiming for four to five times a week.
Consider the benefits of both infrared and dry saunas to find the best fit for your health goals.
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