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Dr. Craig Conover. All right. Welcome. Thank you very much for having me, Sean. I'm excited to be here. Excited to talk to you. I'm excited that you're here, too. And uh so I guess we've been uh we've known each other for two years already. I think about two years. Yeah. That's like It feels like 6 months. Yeah. I know. Well, time is a crazy thing, right? It is. Yeah. No, I think it's been about two years we've been working together. Wow. Well, my health has gotten a lot better in the last two years. Good to hear. So, thank you for that. Yeah, you're welcome. It's an honor to work with you. Yep. Likewise. So, Andrew Huberman uh shout out to Andrew connected us. Right. And uh we've been working together ever since. Not together. I've been you've been my doctor ever since. So, it's a it's an extreme pleasure and honor. Likewise. But um well, I'm going to go ahead and give you an introduction. We got a lot of stuff to talk about today. Great. So, here we go. Dr. Craig Conover, 20 years ago, you walked away from the disease-based model of medicine and founded Connover Wellness in Charleston, South Carolina, a science-driven practice focused on performance, optimization, and longevity. Since then, you've administered more than 50, 000 peptide treatments, giving you what many consider the most extensive clinical experience in biological optimization in the country. Your patients include Navy
the country. Your patients include Navy Seals, Hall of Fame athletes, Fortune 100 executives, and members of Congress. At 46, a near fatal blood clot nearly took your life, changing not only your health, but the way you viewed medicine and performance overall. Once again, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. [clears throat] So, before we get too into it, we got a couple things to to knock out here. One, everybody gets a gift. Amazing. That's definitely not going to help with your longevity, but uh they do taste pretty snack. No, I love gummy bears. Literally perfect for me. Seriously. Right on. And then I got a Patreon account and um that is that's just we've grown it into one hell of a community. I think we're like 200, 000 strong on there now. Okay. [snorts] And um so honestly, you know, they are when I started this thing, I couldn't get anybody to I had no advertisers. Nobody wanted to do business with me, right? And um and so we started a Patreon account and have grown it into one hell of a community. So they've been a lot of these people have been with me since I was in the attic of my house. and uh and then you see what it's grown into today and that's all because of these guys. So one of the things I give them uh to give back is they get the opportunity to ask every single guest a question. Okay, so this is from Eric Alger. If you had a healthy 45year-old guy in
If you had a healthy 45year-old guy in your office who wanted to be as strong, healthy, and mentally sharp as possible for the next 40 years, what are the top five things you'd tell him to do? That's a good question. Yeah, I mean I still think the I think there's I'd mesh it some basics and then some things that probably aren't basic. So I I think everyone's familiar with sleep and how important sleep is, right? I think sleep is really challenging for people. Um particularly in the modern day. Um I think the trouble is is um you know from my perspective people have sleep attachments. So they're very worried about going to sleep and if they get enough sleep, you know, what does it mean the next day if they only get 4 hours or 6 hours? And so then people end up turning to pharmaceuticals, for example, right now they're taking ambient. And I have plenty of patients who, you know, maintain good sleep on these drugs. However, we just have to wonder what is that doing to them long term? And and even more than that, I don't know if they're getting to the deep restorative sleep phases from these drugs that help them fall asleep. So, first thing is, you know, kind of lose a sleep attachment, but find some things that you can take intermittently for sleep. Like I I look at sleep as like some nights I'll take theine. I'm a big fan of theine right now. Some nights ashwagandha, some nights glycine. different compounds that are natural. Um, we can get into peptides for sure that help promote not only falling asleep but staying asleep. I think that's number one. I think we'll get
that's number one. I think we'll get into further in the show about how important rest is, you know, for optimization, whatever that means. That'd be number one. Number two, I think the most important thing for people once you can sleep and have that foundation is changing, you know, what happens between your ears, you know, and changing your thought process. understanding that not every thought you think has to be true. Um, and forming more of an empowerment type of approach and being positive. I think um, I want to talk to you more about that cuz I think positivity is such a powerful tool um, that's not talked about particularly in the longevity space. We talk about compounds. Number three, things that people can take. Um, I think there's a few supplements that I think stand out to me um, that really help people. Number one is CoQ10, co-enzyme Q10. It's this fats soluble vitamin co-enzyme works in the mitochondria really helps our mitochondria work more efficiently which is the battery of the cell. Um as people get older certainly someone who's in their 40s is you know tends to be more in the kind of decline starting to be more in the degenerative phase. We're hoping to change people into the regenerative phase which is possible. Um but CoQ10 stands out you know that if anyone's going to take one supplement that's the one I promote. CoQ10. Roger that. Um, that'd be three things. Um, [clears throat] four, um, you know, I'd get their hormones tested. You know, I think the most tangible aspect to human health as we age is hormonal decline. Meaning, once we get hormones balanced and optimized, it becomes more tangible.
and optimized, it becomes more tangible. Um, for men, testosterone is a big deal. Uh, and, you know, kind of optimizing and replacing testosterone um, is so important. For women, I think the most important hormone is thyroid. Um, and making sure their thyroid is optimized. So, that's number four. Number five, just because I I believe in them so much, is figuring out, you know, peptides. Um, they're such safe safe compounds and utilized correctly and judiciously and individualizing that and figuring out what that is can accelerate kind of getting into that regeneration phase. Okay. So, those five things I'd say there's a follow on here. Okay. I like this one. And what popular treatments or supplements would you tell him not to waste his money on? That's a good question, too. I you know, the way I It's It's a good question cuz you I mean, everybody's promoting something these days. You don't you just you don't know. I I think you know the thing and I know we'll talk about it more. The thing that bothers me about whether you call it longevity or optimization performance medicine is kind of this model, maybe we call it the biohacker influencer model, which is screaming at people to do everything. And the idea is if you don't do everything, you don't do anything. And from where I sit, that's very stressful. And so I have people come into my office every day taking 47 supplements, doing sauna, cold plunge every single day, taking 16 peptides, you know what I mean? doing all these
you know what I mean? doing all these things like it's almost if they become so fragile that they can't even lead their life and so getting away from that mindset I think is the most important thing there's not just everyone's so different right like every certain people go through phases where they have to work on their liver detox they have to work on figuring out their gut they have to work on hormones they have to work on their mitochondria so it's hard to answer that but I think from a mindset perspective I'd encourage people not to get caught up in like if you're not doing all these things that people are yelling at you to do. That's that's a better place to be. Okay. Is the You brought it up cold plunge sauna. Yeah. Is it overhyped? I think it's good. I think again to me, everyone's got to figure it out themselves, right? Like I think there's good research on both, right? I'm personally not a fan of cold punch. I don't like cold. So, um Meither I just don't So, is there health benefits from doing cold punch? For sure. I think it's overdone in the sense that you have to cold punch every day or you have to reach a certain temperature or a certain time period for it to count. You know, I'm a big fan of people, you know, helping shepherd people to make decisions and try things out because to me, direct experience is the only thing that matters. So, I want people to try it out, right? Like try out doing a sauna. How does it feel? Be really honest with yourself. I tend to like sauna. We have a infrared sauna. We used to do it all the time and I do it a couple times a I like how I feel um but I don't feel like I need to do it as
I don't feel like I need to do it as much anymore. Cold plunge. Um I have lots of patients who do it religiously, you know, and I would just always ask the question, are you doing it because you're seeking alignment within yourself or are you doing it because you're seeking um permission, you know, are you getting, you know, allowance to do it? And I think there's a big differentiator there. Same thing with diet. I mean, diet's very personal to people, you know, [snorts] I mean I've tal what's the best diet? I don't know, right? like I want you to try different diets whether it's carnivore, vegan, vegetarian, you know, Mediterranean, paleo, keto, and see how you feel, right? And you're going to gravitate towards some at different points in your life and depending on what you're working on. I think that's great, you know, but there's whatever 16 different diet books written every year telling people how to eat. Mhm. Uh I think it's overdone. Right on. What about um water? Water's complicated. Yeah, I think water can get deep. You can go into lots of different facets. I think first and foremost what you said, people need to filter their water, you know, like I don't ever drink tap water, you know. I just think that you're taking from I can't stand it anymore. I go to a restaurant and if it's tap water I won't I don't think it's healthy for people to drink. And if we look at and analyze it, what's in that water? It's getting worse. It used to take I'll probably throw a picture up here right now, but we got me and my wife got a water filtration system for the first time I don't know three or four years ago.
ago. Yeah. And it used to take the first thing goes into is this clear filter. Then it goes through these huge tanks. Probably reverse osmosis or something. And uh actually it's not reverse osmosis. No, it's not. No, but um supposedly it's better than that. Okay. But um I don't know if there is, but I like it and I can tell a huge difference. But it goes through this clear thing first. It used to take a couple of months uh to get it used to take a couple of months for it to get gunk like nasty looking. It's like 2 3 weeks now and the tank is brown. It just shows you I mean there's particles floating in it. Yeah. I mean and if you think about it there's chlorines and florines and bromines. There's heavy metals. There's pharmaceuticals, right? Like, where does it go where people excrete all these pharmaceuticals we're taking into our water supply? There's fluoride. I said, I mean, there's so much junk and toxins and pesticides, glyphosate, it's all in there. Yeah. And so, I think to your point, filtering water, you know, but then you got to remmineralize the water. You got you do need to remmineral remmineral mineralize. Yeah, [laughter] I think so. I mean, I think that's the best way to get minerals is from the water. Um, so you can either, you know, use a water filter and remmineralize. Um, you could drink sparkling natural water, you know, that has minerals in it. But without those minerals, you know, you could make an argument. I
know, you could make an argument. I mean, there's several ways you could do this. You could make an argument that the decline of the human population over the last 6 years mirrors the loss of minerals from the soil, from our food. The human population is declining for sure. I mean, we're devolving as a, you know, I I think for sure we're devolving. We're not evolving. We're devolving. I thought you're talking about deaths. Well, I'm just talking about our health. Yeah. Our health and chronic disease and like is that the whole world? I think so. Have you did you ever uh I'm just curious. Have you ever seen that documentary? I think it's called um it's something like live to 100 or something like that. And they go to all these zones. Is it the blue zones? Yeah. Is that what they call? I know what you're talking about. There's like seven or nine blue zones around the world. Yeah. There's like Japan. They tried Italy is one of them. There's one in Italy. Yeah. What are those people doing? I think they're doing many things, right? I think they're what they're trying to do now is they're trying to say what are what exactly are those people doing to let them lead long lives. Obviously, there's going to be genetic contribution, but I think if I had to pick one thing that those communities do is they are a community like they they have strong connection and ties as a community. They also tend to walk after eating. I mean, I think it's subtle. So, I think it's little things, you know, but it's hard to extract and say, okay, what can I do here where I live to be like them? I mean, the reality is you're not. I don't think that's a necessarily a good goal. seems like they
necessarily a good goal. seems like they have a lot less stress. I think they handle stress differently. You know, I think stress is such an interesting topic, you know, that comes up. Usually when I meet a client for the first time, I want to really understand how they're handling stress. And I don't just mean like what do you think about stress? We tend to we like to do this urine and saliva hormone test to see how their adrenal glands which is the triangular shaped glands sit on top of our kidneys that um processes and metabolizes and excretes cortisol which is our main stress hormone. And I put a lot of value in understanding you know because there's a we're hardwired for a cortisol response literally it's hardwired into us and once you start escaping that rhythm bad things start to happen to people. So I'm I'm kind of fascinated. I put a lot of value in in understanding like what are the biological mechanisms to how someone thinks and handle stress in their world. You guys did that on me. I think I did that early with you. Yeah. Your uh facility office down there is we you've just done an incredible job. Your team is amazing. I mean it was we were talking right before the show started. It was like you've you've really created it. It feels like you're in a family. Everybody gets along. Everybody knows each other. Everybody takes their job very seriously. Everybody loves their job and wants to be there. You don't see that very many places. Well, it's important, you know. I think that um we get to work with a lot of
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friends in Hawaii who we see once or twice a year and we'd come back. It was August of 2020 and soon after we got back I started having abdominal pain. I tried to, you know, dismiss it, not think much about it, but it persisted. It got worse. Um so I was like, well, let me figure this out myself. Um, so I did testing on myself and from what I could see from the lab results, maybe I had a gut infection. So I was like, "Okay, I'm going to take some antibiotics. I'm even going to take some steroids cuz to calm down the inflammation." I did that, seemed to get better. And then I remember I was playing tennis with my wife. It was Labor Day um, of that year and I had to stop playing and I I the pain was so intense. So I have a friend who's a radiologist. I got in touch with him. I said, "Hey, I I got to do a CAT scan." So, he arranged for me to get a CAT scan the next day. Went and had a CAT scan. Then I remember driving back from my office. This was the day after Labor Day, and he said, "You need to go to the emergency room right now. This is a very serious situation. You have what's called a portal vein thrombosis. So, this is a blood clot of the vein that kind of comes up from the lower extremities into the liver. So, it's the main vein coming to the liver. If you lose that, you die." And uh so I stopped at the office, picked up my wife, didn't really know what was going on, but I knew I was in a lot of pain. Um and I honestly I don't know if I'd ever heard of a portal vein thrombosis. I've certainly heard of a deep venous thrombosis, which is what a lot of people have, you know, heard of a
lot of people have, you know, heard of a DVT, and I'd heard of a pulmonary embolism, which happens in the lung, blood clots in the lung, but this was in between it. I don't think I'd ever heard of a portal vein thrombosis. So, we got to the emergency room. They started me on a blood thinner Hepin [clears throat] and um I remember the ER doctor walked in and he said, "Hey, did you see the actual radiology report of what you know what was diagnosed?" I said, "I didn't." So, I handed to me and I read read about the blood clot, but I also read that I had a mass in the head of my pancreas. Whoa. And I turned to him and I said, cuz my wife was sitting there and I said, I I can't tell her this. And um so he told her and I can still hear the shriek I was 46 years old. I'm obviously aware that if I had pancreatic cancer, that's almost a death sentence. Yeah. So it was during CO. So she had to leave, you know, couldn't stay in the hospital. and they said, "We want to do an MRI of your um liver to to look at this more in depth." And I remember they took me up to the MRI suite, but for whatever reason, Sean, they left me there for a while, like there was a delay or something. And I had the most amazing experience maybe of my life where I was with God and just received tremendous peace, like knowing that everything's okay.
like knowing that everything's okay. And um it was an amazing moment. And all I can tell you, it's hard to articulate, but all I can tell you is uh it's all okay. You felt at peace. I felt it total peace. And knowing that you I just felt total peace. I I just knew. I just knew it was okay. I just Were you for sure you were going to die? I wasn't. I I can't say that. I I you know I mean a mass on your pancreas is it's pretty close to a death sentence. Uhhuh. So the next morning I got through the night um [snorts] next morning that same ER doctor comes in. I mean that hold on that just came over you. It it I I lost track of time but it was probably over a 2hour time period that and and let me back up. I I've always had a close relationship with God. It's always been foundational for me. I've always felt connected to God. This wasn't new, per se, like this feeling and what that feels like. It was new in in how far it went. It was new in like, wow, this is it's all okay. Like, it's all okay. God told me he's got my back regardless of the outcome. Wow. Regardless. So the next morning that same ER doctor came in and um he said hey I was thinking about you overnight. Did you see your MRI results? I said no.
Did you see your MRI results? I said no. He said you don't have cancer. Yeah. What did you have? So I can't tell you that I didn't have a miracle healing. [clears throat] It was gone. Holy or I mean I'm pragmatic. I'm practical. Maybe it was an overread by the radiologist. I don't know. But he saw something. He saw something or wouldn't put it on the report. And my research after that is that a portal vein thrombosis like all the time occurs in the setting of cancer. So maybe I did have a miracle. Seriously. Wow. And and I've witnessed other patients have miracle healing. I have. It's possible. I don't doubt it. I And for your listeners, like, and this is an important point, like anything is possible. And And for me, it was such a pivotal moment in my life. And even though it was at its potentially darkest hour, I would never trade that. I would never do it differently ever because that experience I had with God and finding that total peace stays with me to today, you know. Wow. And and I'm so thankful for that. That's powerful. So thankful. And that's why I just know it's all okay
I just know it's all okay no matter what, you know. And I think when people cuz people a lot of time they want to separate out, hey, is this disease? how how does this relate to God? It's all the same. It's all linked up. It's all synchronized. Obviously, depending on what people believe, but for me, um, so transformative. Yeah. Unbelievably transformative. And then, [sighs] you know, it was a very confusing time being a patient. Um, I had doctors didn't know what to do with me. Well, hold up. What? How did you So your then your wife comes back. What? How did she Yeah. And then I So yeah, sorry. So she comes back that morning and you know, literally crying together. Like she spent the whole night upset. I mean, I get [snorts] upset thinking about it. Like she thought she was going to lose me, man. And comes back and I get to give her the good news, you know? And I followed up on this. I've done several scans since then. It's this isn't a fluke. I don't have it. Wow. And um you know, and then being able to you know, I'm very grateful for my wife because [snorts] she's been my rock, man. I love these kind of stories. We're talking about some of this kind of stuff at breakfast. Yeah. And this is where it gets really real. This was 2020. And you know, I it just
This was 2020. And you know, I it just affected me personally. affected me professionally, you know, because I still had the blood clot, but they didn't know what to do with me, right? I It was such a fluky thing. They um and and you know, I know we're going to talk about a lot about peptides and kind of more outside the box therapies, but I I want to make the point like they put me on a blood thinner that I take to this day. I believe that pharmaceuticals are here to help us. You know, do I have to take it? Probably not. But it gives me peace of mind, you know, and for me that's very important. Mhm. Very important. I got a lot of life left, you know. I got a lot that I want to help people. And so, you know, taking that blood thinner every evening, easy. And I believe in it. Wow. But I mean being in the hospital was so interesting because I was the patient, you know, and I what happened was is they they released me the next day with on a blood thinner. It was probably too soon. And by the end of the week, I had worsening pain. I'd go back to the emergency room and they scanned me again and said now the blood clot had extended and was now affecting my colon and my large intestine. And that they had to figure this out even further. They couldn't figure it out. I had every test under the sun. Never could find anything that said it was this or that. Very very strange. So they switched up
Very very strange. So they switched up my blood thinner. I was in the hospital for another almost a week. And um but you know I I met several doctors and it really was profound for me. I I'd been on this path of like I think we're all on a path like what are we doing here? What is the purpose? And for me that's both personally and professionally. and being a doctor and knowing what I know and then being treated as a patient by doctors outside of my hematologist. My hematologist is amazing. I still work with him today. These doctors were not very helpful. I remember, you know, I was in a lot of pain and I remember saying, "Hey, can I get a prescript I remember this conversation, can I get a prescription for pain medicine for when I leave? you don't need to give me a lot, but just I'm still in some pain. I I'm not asking for a ton, but some. And they told me, "No, we're not going to give you any pain medicine." And I was like, I don't understand. Like, I'm really confused. Like, I have legitimate pain. I've been in the hospital almost a week with a portal vein thrombosis that you guys have never seen. I'm 46 years old, and you refuse to give me pain medicine. What what is what's what's going on with the healthc care industry. I mean, it's just you can't get an I don't know what it's like everywhere here. You can't get an appointment anywhere. It's like a six-month wait. I mean, you go
six-month wait. I mean, you go there, they spend 30 seconds with you. Yeah. All your blood work work looks great. They don't go through with you. Nope. you know, and I mean, didn't they just change the mammogram thing, too? Weren't you supposed to get it or maybe Yeah, they've lowered the age of mamograms, which I want to talk to you about. Yeah. Well, they spread it out like it used to be. I don't know. My wife knows. We were just talking about this, but it used to be every 6 months and now they've upped it to a year and they've I think they raised the age, I thought, but and she's like, "What what like what is this?" So it just all the good doctors are now out of insurance networks. They're all gone, you know, and and what happened like we we Well, we go to private health. I mean, yep, you come see me. Yeah. I I think it's worth like and this was a a kind of inflection point for me having this experience. You know, I've always kind of been trying to understand how do we get here? And really then I kind of dove into it. And if we go back and and I want to express to your listeners, the health care system is actually working perfectly because the health care system treats us as customers, not patients. So, it's working just fine. Did you know it's the largest employer in almost every state? That's a surprise. I didn't know that. the large in many states it's the fastest growing industry many states. So
fastest growing industry many states. So we have a system that's working super well as a business and and what I learned from researching it goes back deep right so in 1910 [clears throat] there was something called the Flexner report which was kind of created by John D. Rockefeller uh and Andrew Carnegie, right? Two of the biggest wealthiest families in America. And what the Flexner report did was to look at medical education and decide what should go forward and be allowed and focused on and what should be excluded. And it's hard for us to understand this because we live in 2026 where everything is dominated by pharmaceuticals and randomized controlled studies and surgeries. But if you go back to before the 1900s, other types of health modalities were flourishing that we now in very real sense consider rogue. Right? So I'm talking about acupuncture, chiropractic, naturopathy, herbalism, hydrotherapy, fitness, nutrition. What they did literally was say medical education can't focus on those. And I lived it, right? I went to medical I graduated in 2000. And the model that I came up from, which I'm sure is teaching today, is when a patient walks in the room, you're immediately thinking what medicine am I prescribing? Mhm. You're not thinking what what's going on
You're not thinking what what's going on with the patient? What's the story? How did they get here? What are they feeling? you're thinking what diagnosis can I come up with to give them a medicine or three medicines and that system works very well in this system and so for a lot of people talking about oh peptides right well there's no studies because we've been trained to think that it doesn't count unless there's a study but if we go back and look for example ashwagandha is a botanical herb in used in the Ayurvedic system it's been in the historical record for thousands of years, And I remember I gave a talk many, many years ago at this power company in Charleston. We're talking about sleep. We're talking about different natural options. And I said, "Well, ashwagandha actually is great at helping clear out cortisol receptors and people, you know, observing them sleep better over time, taking ashwagandha, it's very safe." And a gentleman raised his hand. He goes, "But has it been studied?" I said, "Well, it's been studied in the historical record for thousands years." Because that doesn't matter. What do you mean that doesn't matter? But that's where we are, right? And so we have we've been trained, we've been programmed that we have to look at anything like we do pharmaceuticals. But the reality is we can't, right? The pharmaceutical testing is very expensive. I mean, everyone knows that exorbitantly expensive. Um, and it's also very biased, right? I
Um, and it's also very biased, right? I don't put a lot of weight on that. Like when I'm sitting in front of a patient, I'm interested in them. I want to know what works for them. I'm not interested in the study that says, "Hey, if you're 45, I don't even know what that means." Most of it's done under artificial settings. They certainly can't control for the things they say they can control for. Rarely do they control for all the variables of being human. Sleep, diet, movement, thought process just doesn't happen. Now, again, I'm not saying pharmaceuticals are bad. I don't think that pharmaceutical companies are evil. I think they're playing perfectly into the industrial medical complex perfectly. Mhm. And uh I point that out to your listeners because we don't talk about this enough, right? We we talk about it as there's one way to do this, right? And if you look at statistically, the majority of Americans take pharmaceuticals. That's how we define health. Yet the majority of Americans are overweight, tired, and depressed as well. Very true. And and it's challenging. It's challenging for listeners to know what to do, where to turn. I mean, I feel like a lot of people are kind of waking up to this. I do, too. I'm hopeful. I sure as hell have. And I actually think that CO and the pandemic, as bad as it was, there was a silver lining there. Mhm. Um, I think doctors lost a lot of faith and trust from people and for good reason. Yep.
Yep. For good reason. But I think it helps spur on for people. I want to take care of myself. You know, I got CO the next year after I got that portal vein thrombosis. It was August of 2021. I got COVID. I think it was the Delta variant. I almost died again. I mean, I' i've never been as sick as that. I mean, I was out of commission for 3 weeks at home on oxygen and I Holy I couldn't get better. Like it was one of the weirdest times. Like I would I just and I finally had to be hospitalized and um I didn't want to go to the hospital cuz I was afraid if cuz my blood I would measure my blood sat my oxygen saturation. It was in the 80s, right? It should be 95 or higher. Certainly 93 or higher. Mine was in the 80s and I'd be at oxygen home. I knew if I went in they'd want to put people on ventilators and that was killing people. because we didn't know. It was a crazy time. And so I was reluctant to seek help for sure. Wow. But then eventually I had to go to the hospital and I I did fine. But how long were you in there? I think so. I went for a weird reason. I um developed I think pneumonia on top of the CO and I was taking antibiotic but because I was on a blood thinning medicine the antibiotic made my blood thinner made my blood super thin there was an interaction there. Gotcha. And I remember waking up I was sleeping on the couch. Couldn't even sleep in bed with my wife because I I
with my wife because I I it was so uncomfortable and I was on oxygen. I didn't want to disturb her. But I remember I was middle of the night woke up and I started urinating Frank blood because my blood had gotten so thin that I I was literally urinating blood. I told her I woke her up and I was like I got to go now. [laughter] And I went and um it all worked out okay. I mean and and uh I only had I stayed there I think one it was either one or two nights. I had to stay in the emergency room. There wasn't even the hospital was packed. It was totally full. Jeez. But I think there's some silver lining. I think that, you know, people, to your point, are waking up saying, "I want more than just taking a pill." I sure as hell did. Everybody I know has Yeah. I mean, and and I don't know. I feel like there's like two health care systems now. There's the private health care system that seem everybody seems to be gravitating towards and and then there's the traditional one. The traditional American one. Yeah. the that or maybe North American one, I don't know, but there's there's the in network and out out of network and I think it's accurate. And nobody wants to be in network anymore. Well, I think especially especially people my age and older, you know, I think a lot of the young people don't really care yet, but but they should. Well, I think we have to I think it's time for evolution of it, right? I think that if we look at the history of it and people saying, "Oh, I have health
it and people saying, "Oh, I have health insurance." Health insurance is not for the healthy, right? Like it's a disease-based approach. And I think it does a good job, right? When I was really sick, as much as I questioned it, I still was there to help me. If you fracture your leg, it's there to help you. If you're in acute situation, it's there to help you. But that's not how we get healthy, and that's not how we optimize. Mhm. And I think that's why people are getting disgruntled. Is there any What do you think about the ivormectin thing? I'm a big fan of Ivormectin. Is it true this is an anti-cancer drug too? Yeah, I think it can be used for that. How do you use it for that? I think it depends. Right. So, they're looking at it more and more in terms of how to dose it. Um I learned about it during COVID, right? And and um we learned about, you know, people doing research in terms of clinical research in terms of weight basing ivormectin where would we would use a dose of 0. 2 and 2 milligs per kilogram meaning you find out the patient's weight and then you do a calculation say this is how much they need and you'd either give it to them you know again for COVID symptoms even though it it got such a terrible w you know after Joe Rogan said he was using Ivormectin and then the world came down saying how dare you even though it's been used for decades safely worldwide I mean Ivormectin is a inexpensive valuable medicine and but during co one of the big troubles not to get off Of course, I'll come back is the focus all the focus was on the vaccines. The focus was not on treatment and the and that's still
treatment and the and that's still probably true to this day. I mean, they're still promoting COVID vaccines, which is crazy to me. But if we remember, it was all about you need to get your vaccine, not that what do you do if you get COVID and ivormectin seemed to be for a lot of people again just clinically a way out and a quick way out. And so since that time people have been exploring can we use it for other inflammatory conditions whether it's viral illness whether it's cancer um cancer is complicated but I'll tell you you know an interesting thing to this day if I were to call in send in ivormectin for a patient to a pharmacy they wouldn't fill it what yeah why why yeah yeah and and I'm not going to say that's every pharmacy because it's not true but it's most diagnos nosis code. And now that doesn't matter, right? If I see you as a patient and I decide, hey, this is an appropriate drug. And I want to make a point to patients because this always comes up. Well, it's off label. 90% of medicine that's prescribed is off label, by the way. Meaning, we use it outside of the indication that the FDA approved it. Right? So, the best example is antibiotics. Antibiotics tend to have a very narrow classification, right? meaning I'll take penicellin for a type of bacteria. However, people use penicellin for lots of different bacteria. We don't actually test the bacteria anymore in many ways because that's inefficient. Most medicine is prescribed off label.
Most medicine is prescribed off label. And so what they're saying and so the the FDA approval for ivormectin has nothing to do with a viral illness, has nothing to do with cancer. So I this has happened to me so many times where I thought it was appropriate because of the safety profile. Number one, it's super safe. We we don't see side effects from Ivormectin. And two, my clinical observation and working with patients and having a relationship and prescribing is they seem to get better faster the ones using Ivormectin. Not always. And so if I send that into a pharmacy, I've spoken to so many pharmacists who said, "Well, we need the diagnosis code." And I was like, "Well, here's the diagnosis. That doesn't qualify. We can't prescribe it. We're not filling it. What was it originally used for? I feel like it was I don't even remember at this point. It was like um something along the lines of like scabies or something like that. Some like small Yeah, that's what's used like for worldwide. We'll call it a parasite. Gotcha. Like a type of parasite. So if you tell the pharmacy, oh, it's a viral illness because there there's a diagnosis code for that. They'll say that doesn't qualify, so we're not filling it. And I'd say, well, so you're going to stand in the way of the patient getting the mess and say, "Well, we we don't feel comfortable feeling it." I mean, this is a real thing. Very strange. And I think it's a huge disservice. Mhm. Huge disservice to patients because again, I'm trained as a doctor. We've all heard of the Hypocratic Oath. Why Why have they I think it got politicized. That's it.
That's it. It got politicized. It It was determined. Again, if I don't know, this is just my observation. We go back to CO. We're more interested in the COVID vaccine and, you know, giving everyone a vaccine than actually coming up with solutions to help them when they got CO. And I think it's a remnant of that. And people were taking Ivormect and having success and that was like, how dare you? You should be vaccinated. Yeah. And it became this, you know, line in the sand, which I think is unfortunate. Yeah. I just I was just in Mexico bought a ton of Iroactin cuz I was reading about the Yeah. the anti-cancer. It could be an current or anti-cancer, whatever. Sure. I think there's a lot of this. I mean, there's a big push um I don't do it for say because I don't really work with cancer, but there's a big push from from doctors who work with cancer repurposing drugs to help with cancer, you know. So, there's different clinical scenarios. I've heard patients using doxycycline ivormectin mendazol is another antiparasitic medicine methylene blue which we'll talk about it's another one of these agents which can be helpful u metformin is another one I mean there's a whole host of them that we can actually be smart about doxycyc huh doxycyc seems to uh kill cancer stem cells so it's it's not allowing those cancer stem cells to grow again cancer is very complicated I'm not an expert um by any means Um, but I think, you know,
by any means Um, but I think, you know, I think if I try to answer questions, what would I do if I developed cancer? I would want every option on the table. Yeah, me too. And unfortunately, in the United States, um, is very limited. In the state of California, interestingly enough, I've learned this recently because I talked to a doctor. State of California, I don't know if this is still true, but it was true. If they see a patient who has cancer and you recommend something that's not a pharmaceutical, they'll come after your medical license. Not surprising at all. Yeah. It's and it's that's not how we make progress, right? I think one of the challenges we live in such a dogmatic society, either bad or good. This is evil. This is and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle. And um it's [clears throat] hard. It's hard for people to know what's real. Let's take a break real quick. Sure. I'm always listening to something on the road, working out, walking around the house, traveling, whatever it is. And what I like about Amazon Music is it puts music, podcasts, and audiobooks all in one app. So now with Amazon Music Unlimited, you're not just getting music and podcasts. Your subscription also includes access to audiobooks, which makes it easy to keep something good going no matter what you're doing. I've been listening to Project Hail Mary, and that's the kind of audio book that
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All right, Doc. We before we move on to the uh the outer and the inner war, I wanted to we we I forgot to bring up some of this ancient medicine stuff. Native American, Egyptian, Greek. Yeah. I mean, I I think for me, you know, first of all, I for whatever reason, I've been fascinated with ancient history. I remember being as early as five years old or six years old reading about ancient worlds. I actually in college I majored [clears throat] in something called old world archaeology and art. I've been archaeological digs. Um so I've always had this fascination with what happened in the ancient world and um and then I you know go to medical school and then you know learning about you know re kind of just changing how I think in terms of I learned that the medical model was really two things. either gonna take a medicine or multiple medicines or we're gonna have surgery. And when I kind of started thinking about what did people do 100, 200, 300, 000, 2, 000 years ago, um they seem to be more um connected one to God and two were trying to articulate systems for human health, but they just didn't have the vocabulary to describe that we would, you know, term that in modern terms. Uh, and I find this fascinating, you know, um, because I really do think that
know, um, because I really do think that in many ways as a society, maybe across the world, we're devolving. We're going the wrong direction, you know, and I think some of that is our knowledge, but certainly the wisdom that's applied. We're totally disconnected from nature, you know. What do you mean devolving? Like we're we're getting sicker. dumber, and less connected. I think most people could recognize that. Oh, yeah. I mean, I was watching a docu. I can't remember the document. I'm trying to think of the name, but it's not going to come to me. But it was talking about all these dis a lot of the diseases that we have today are not even organic diseases. They're man-made diseases like cancer. That's what I'm talking about. From the pollutants and yeah, microlastics and smog and you name it. Just all the in the soil, all the chemicals, all everything. It's not even we wouldn't even have these diseases if we wouldn't have destroyed the planet 100%. And so tying it back to this what I call the that's the outer war, right? That's that we're being poisoned and it's very real. Um you know, for example, men with testosterone today. Yeah. It's like 50% less than our grandparents. Yeah. It's a real thing. Why is it why is what what happened? I think it's what you just said, right? I think if we look at what the environmental toxins, right? Like for example, microlastics, we look at even
example, microlastics, we look at even just the things that people probably don't take seriously, but the Wi-Fi, all the invisible waves. Um, we're so connected to these phones and screen time and changing our physiology. You think the EMF stuff is is I think it's very real. What do you do about that? [sighs] I again I'm I try to be practical, right? There's some people who are saying never use your cell phone and that seems stupid to me, right? Like it's such a convenience and such a tool. Um but I and I struggle with it like I I should put my phone down more for sure. Um I struggle with this. Um so so what do I do? I try to limit it, right? I certainly don't um I try to keep it off me as much as I can, right? So I'm not I used to have it in my pocket all the time. I think that's probably bad, right? here. It's a antenna. Um, so if I'm sitting anywhere, I have it put down. Um, and then, um, something that I found to be really good is this device called Blue Shield. Blu Shield. Blue Shield. Yeah. It's a company called Blue Shield. And they make this device. Um, and I've gotten to know the guy who runs it really well, Brandon, who's super smart. Um, they make it this cube that I put in our bedroom and it helps to mitigate the incoherent effect of Wi-Fi. Now, this is not my territory. I don't understand this well, but the way he explained it is we have
but the way he explained it is we have all these waves coming at us, which you know, they desynchronize our own physiology, our own biochemistry, the rhythms of our body. And something like this this cube, it helps to get them back in sync. That's the best I can understand. Interesting. Uh is I was gonna paint. Yeah. You've heard of the EMF paint? Yeah. You know, I was going to do that and then I read that you don't want to do that cuz then Yeah, I think I read that if it is in there, then it bounc it just bouncing around and it's actually worse. I think that's right. And so, you know, I I think, you know, one thing I'm excited about for our new office is, and I think the kind of the next phase in wellness is how do we deal with this this energy? What is energy? You know what I mean? And so, we're going to be setting up the first of its kind u with the help of Brandon, you know, different modalities such as PEMF, which is pulse electrical magnetic field therapy. People are pretty familiar with that. We're not just electrical beings, but we're magnetic beings. Mhm. Um we're going to combine that with vibrational therapy. You know what what is that? Vibrational vibrational is where there's like these big plates and it basically just vibrates you. Uh because the mechanical force on your body, right? This is one of the reasons that's not spoken about, but exercise is so important because you're changing the mechanical force on your cells. And again, tying it back to what did people used to do thousands of years ago, right? They had to do things like a lot of walking. They had to lift heavy stuff. They had to sprint every now and
stuff. They had to sprint every now and again. They were in touch with nature in ways that we don't. Now, not saying don't go to a gym because we have to work out and we have to take care of ourselves. But most of us, you know, work out under artificial lights, right? We don't take our time when we work out. We're rushing through. We're certainly not focused on the workout. We're thinking about what do I got to do next, you know? And I think just trying to tie it all together to to answer your question about ancient, it's very hard for us to understand what people did in the ancient world because we think that we are evolving and that everything's getting better. Certainly technology is better, but I don't think we know how to use it appropriately. The electromagnetic you call electromagnetic therapy. Have you heard of a rife machine? Yeah, for sure. Is that real? I think it's very real. Again, you explain it. I'm not the expert, but here's how I think. I think that we are all frequency based, right? We are energy. We are different. We're we're operating at different energy spectrums, which has to come down with different frequencies. People can understand this. The best analogy I've heard is a radio, right? You turn the dial of the radio to pick up what's coming in from, you know, different sources, different towers shooting out the different whether it's AM or FM. And when you get to the one, it becomes crystal clear, right? Well, I think of us as the same way. We're antenna for what's going on in our environment, particularly our brains are, I think, right? That's how we pick up thoughts. That's how we pick up on stuff is because either you're either dialed into the wrong station, right? And we talked
the wrong station, right? And we talked about that before this podcast and I think some of that's how that happens. Um, and so if I think one of the cool things that's we're going to be able to use with technology is to help us become more coherent so that we can then receive messages in a more coherent way that we can be more attuned, lined up. And to me, that's really important. Unfortunately, we're this outer war, right, is all of these, right? We're we're basically our planets being microwaved, right? If you look at all the satellites circulating above the earth, right, and all this neurolink stuff that's coming and all this star, I mean, it it's a lot. We're basically microwaving ourselves in an environment which is already polluted with pesticides, herbicides, glyphosate, toxicities, heavy metals. I just tell people, think about all the airplanes flying over us every single day. The amount of jet fuel which has a ton of heavy metals is pouring down on us every day. To your point, this is all new. Last 50, 100 years, all of it's new. And so our lens, we're told to believe that this is natural. It's natural to have heart disease and cancer and autoimmune disease. By the way, there's more autoimmune disease than cancer and heart disease combined. More neurodeenerative disease. People are concerned about dementia, Alzheimer's dementia, Parkinson's, you know, it's very real. And so we're being attacked. Mhm.
And so we're being attacked. Mhm. I mean, you know, I think all of that's real. And so, a lot of the work we can do, which I'll get into, which I think is the inner war, which is working on ourselves. So, the inner, you think there's there's two wars, the inner war and the outer war. Yeah. I think most people pay attention to the wrong things. I think most people are paying attention what's going on in the media, what's going on in politics, what's going on, people out to get us, right? And they don't take the time to actually work on themselves. They don't actually take the time to I'm definitely guilty of that. We're all guilty of it. You know, and I think that it's hard because we're told that what matters more is what's going on the outside. But if you think about it, I mean, I I can tell you for me, a non-negotiable for me in the morning is I get up every morning or every morning early, excuse me, of these two little dogs we're obsessed with and take them out, feed them. Uh, and then that's when I'm total silence, praying, meditating, journaling. That's a non-negotiable for me because when I do that, I don't care what happens the rest of the day. We're all busy, things are coming at us, people needing stuff, got to do this, got to accomplish that. But to me, that and then the end of the day when I can connect with my wife and we can catch up and kind of share what happened two non-negotiables. You know what I mean? Most people would say, "Well, I got to get to the gym. I got to work out. I got to, you know, be whatever, you know?" Um, to me it's about the internal conversation more than the external conversation. Now that's just me, but to give you an example, I mean I work with one of the I'm just thinking of this, one of the
I'm just thinking of this, one of the most famous actors on the planet, recognizable across the world. Not going to name names by all intents. You look at him leading the best life and he is no doubt very successful in all facets of his life. great family, but this part of his life when we started working wasn't as developed as he wanted it to be. And I helped him kind of get that back for himself about what it is to wake up and have that silence and work on yourself. you know the introspective work which I call contemplative introspective or you know being contemplative I think is really important and the silence and you know over the whatever year and a half almost two years I've been working with him you know he shared with me recently because he had some big movies come out that he's really found his purpose and more importantly his peace and that peace like I told you about what I was able to find in that hospital. I think once you find it changes everything. And that to me is what this inner world about. And that's why I I think not to overstate it, but I think we've gotten lost. And I think that we people think particularly with health and longevity that it's a destination. I don't think it is. I I think we're already here. I think it's just directional change. And I really see love to talk more about all these different therapies. They're a bridge not to get us anywhere, but to get us
not to get us anywhere, but to get us back to ourselves. That's what's so cool. They're literally a bridge to help us find ourselves again. And that to me is fascinating. And that's how I look at that. I really think whether it's peptides or nutrients or hormones, they're a bridge. Because ultimately what I want for all my patients, all the people I care about, not to need me anymore, to figure it out. I want to continue to help. But that's a very contrast to the medical model where if you're not a customer, you're not paying in, they don't need you. You know what I mean? Mhm. Talking about two totally different things. Interesting. Where do we go from here? Well, I think we've described the outer war pretty well, right? I think it's the things external. I think it's also our attention. I think if we're paying attention to social media feeds and the algorithms that are being presented to you and picking a side and that's how you're defining your life, you're you're not paying attention to yourself. A lot of distractions. I think those phones are super helpful, but they're also a huge distraction. Again, I think you can use them well. I'm not saying to put down your phone or ignore it or turn off social media. You think you got to find everyone's got to figure out what And I turned off social media. We were talking about that at breakfast. It's been gone for over a month now. Everything gone. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, it really is. You get more clarity. Yeah, [laughter] it's And again, I don't
Yeah, [laughter] it's And again, I don't want to keep harping on this, but what did people do 100 I mean, social media is new. Phones are not even 20 years old. It's crazy. But we think this is how life has been lived. It's not even close. So what did people do 100, 200, 000 years ago? They were with each other. You know, they were finding things to eat. They were taking care of each other. Yep. There was a lot more purpose. And to me, it's about finding your own who you are again, to find that awareness, to find that vitality, right? So when I think about how can I help someone lead their best life from a health perspective, it's tapping into that vitality. I just read it the last book I read which I think you're you're probably a lot of your listeners know I don't know if you know it's by Dan Milman the way of the peaceful warrior wonderful book I mean it's a wonderful it's about this gymnast back in the 60s who's this you know super awesome college gymnast who's from a physical perspective I mean he's got it becomes qualified for the Olympics and he meets this kind of crazy old man who takes him under his wing and teaches him about how to find purpose and attention again in his life. So it just doesn't pass him by and there and there's so many little valuable you know things that came from reading that book because I think you know he talks about what he thinks as that his mentor is the
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the three traps. Mhm. The first is what I call the pill push. Right? This is what most people are used to where we've talked about it. It's giving people pharmaceuticals and more pharmaceuticals. And again, I don't think doctors mean poorly. I don't think doctors are out to get you. It's just they don't know any better. I you know one of the things I take pride in what I enjoy doing is we I train other doctors and providers done this for years and I love it. I love the collegial aspect but I also love because I didn't have someone to help me get to where I am. I had to make a lot of mistakes and most of it self-learned through experience working with great patients but I want to help them start to think differently. I mean it's obvious that you're not against I'm not pills because we just talked you're on a blood thinner. I take it for the past what six years. Yeah I take it. So I'm not against medicine, but that's one of the traps. The next trap is the supplement shuffle where you have these all these functional medicine doctors who basically exchange pharmaceuticals for neutrauticals. And this is very common. Neutrauticals. I've never heard that term. Yeah, like supplements. It's like a fancy word for supplement. I mean, I have so many patients who come into my office and they're on 47 supplements and this is common. Well, it's natural. Well, that doesn't mean it works. Can be safe, right? of patients are taking their vitamin D, their fish oil, their probiotics on and on. They don't even know what they're taking anymore and then they get thrown into this loop where there's constant testing, And the kind of the paradigm is take this for that. And I I have a problem with that. And then the last trap is what we're most familiar with, which is the biohacker influencer, which
which is the biohacker influencer, which is allin, right? And promoting all of this testing like crazy. You know, now this full body MRI scan is becoming so popular. Is that bad? I think again, I don't know if it's bad. I just think you have to be careful. You're basically looking for things we don't necessarily have. And I think it can create a lot of anxiety and stress. And and here's what I'll tell you. And I think this is hard for people to get to because they say, "Well, I want to find it so I can do something about it." Well, how do you know your body wouldn't have done something about it anyway? Right? So to give you just modern day examples and this is real um they they've recently looked at I think it was in a article in JAMAMA one of the big medical journals I think it was 2022 they found that CT scans would likely contribute or cause 5% of cancers annually over I think it was like a 100, 000 plus cancers would come from CT scanning alone Right? Mimography, which we touched upon, they've done studies to show that mimography does not change mortality. Meaning, we have plenty more women diagnosed with breast cancer, yet women are not living longer because of that. Colonoscopy, same thing. So, we're screening and I get it because
So, we're screening and I get it because people like, "I got to find it." But then we're creating problems, right? I mean, I've had patients who diagnosed from a mammogram with breast cancer, and again, I'm not saying they shouldn't do this. It's it's an individual choice. But then they go down the chemo path. They go down the radiation path and [sighs and gasps] that that can be ultimately what kills them, not the cancer. And this is a complicated and it's also a very touchy subject and I'm not speaking out against these therapies. I think there's again like we've said, if I was diagnosed with cancer, I want all options on the table. The problem is is we're we're being pushed and coerced in a certain direction that if you don't screen for it, you're doing something wrong. I have an innate trust in the human body that God created to figure things out. So, you don't get screened. I don't do those screenings. No, I don't. You don't do the MRI? No. I've had too many patients who and and I I understand. They say, "Well, I want to know." I said,' But the problem once you know is you can't unknow and you're going to be anxious every day till you do something about it and they said' no I'll be fine and that's not what happens because now you've diagnosed with something in your liver I mean I just had this conversation with a patient this past week he um one of the common tests that men get done is what's called a PSA prostate specific antigen it's not a good test but it's a blood
it's not a good test but it's a blood test to look for prostate cancer and so in general not a good test. It's not a good test because there's a lot of um inconsistency with it. And [clears throat] so the majority of men, like the vast majority of men in my practice who I've taken care of over the last 25 years who have had an elevated PSA greater than four has nothing to do with cancer. This is why it's a bad test. So anyway, he we do routine I believe in blood work. That's different than screening per se, but I I do routine blood work and for our patients, we do a lot of blood work depending on what they're working on. And he had a PSA and it was elevated higher than four. Okay. Well, he was concerned. I get it. And so eventually we did an MRI of his pelvis to look at his prostate. Nothing there. Maybe his prostate was enlarged. So the PSA can elevate from an enlarged prostate. the PSA can elevate from a prostate infection, lots of other things. So, we repeated the blood test over time. Totally fine. So, last week he sends me that he did a full body MRI and that full body MRI is not very um it's not the visualization is way worse than a dedicated MRI, if that makes sense. So, the image quality is way worse. Okay. So, he did a full body MRI and he sent it to me and said, "I need to talk because they see something in my prostate. Now, six months ago, he did a dedicated MRI of his pelvis. Nothing. So, again,
MRI of his pelvis. Nothing. So, again, we're going to have to repeat that. Now, he's going to have a dedicated MRI of his pelvis. I'm confident that maybe his anatomy is a little bit different. Maybe his prostate's a little bit enlarged, but I don't think he has prostate cancer, but what he's created for himself is a lot of anxiety. Yep. And it's a slippery slope. When you've got that anxiety, what do people do? Now they're drinking more. Now they're taking, you know, whatever it is. Now they need more benzo. It's a slipper. That anxiety and that stress that'll wear you out. What do you recommend if somebody gets diagnosed with cancer? That's one of your patients. You have places that you recommend to them? I do. Are they in the US? Uh, no. the the number one place I re there's a couple things is I just met a patient and his wife is dealing with um non small cell lung cancer which is aggressive. She's doing okay. She's in the conventional route. I'll just tell you what I told him. I'm going to meet with her when I get back next week. Um there's a place uh that I learned of in Thailand called the Bangkok Stem Cell Center where they're able to do things that we can't do in this country. For example, I have a friend who lives in Bali who introduced me to them and he was introduced and sorry last year he got diagnosed with this very rare type of fibro saroma um like a connective tissue soft tissue type of cancer super rare but it can
type of cancer super rare but it can tend historically to metastasize or grow. He had the biopsy saw that he had it. So he went to this place and they measured something called natural killer cells in his blood. Now, the natural killer cells seem to be the the type of white blood cell that attacks the cancer in the blood. This is an oversimplification. So, when they tested his natural killer cells, they were really weak. And they were say, I'm going to make this up. Less than 5% kill rate. Again, I'm I'm messing up the details. So, they were able to do some things to amplify how those natural killer cells grow. They retest him. Now, he's greater than 60%. And then they're giving him back his natural killer cells as an infusion into his to fight the cancer. Correct. And it worked. It's working. Wow. And that's just one example. The other thing I tell people to do that I told this patient and this is going to confusing. You brought up water and I'm again not the expert but people are familiar with hydrogen. Hydrogen is the first element in the periodic table, right? It's got one electron, one proton. Hydrogen over time morphs into something called heavy water, which has we call it dutyium. One electron, one proton, one neutron. Now, the problem with dutyium um is that it's a little bit heavier and so our bodies and our cells can't use it as efficiently. I know we're going to
as efficiently. I know we're going to get into the mitochondria. This might be a good time. Mitochondria, the body, you know, the batteries of the cell. When you're might, we know that people stressing themselves out, working, you know, late hours, out of sync with natural world, we get tired. As we get older, we get tired more and more. We don't have that energy to do all the things we want to do. A lot of that academic research comes back to the mitochondria not working well. The mitochondria take our fuel, things we eat, fats, proteins, carbohydrates, and through a series of steps turns it into energy water. By the way, it's dutyium depleted water. I'll get back to that in oxygen. And the main way this works and why I want to talk about it is there's five hubs that sit on this mitochondrial membrane. We'll call them five hubs. They call them cytochromes. The first hub is where NAD is used. NAD is a chemical cousin of nasin. So chemical cousin of vitamin B3. And what the uh mitochondrial membrane is supposed to do is we're supposed to exchange electrons for protons down these different hubs. So you can just think of it like a conveyor belt. And so we're moving these electrons and protons to eventually get to hub 5 where we spin this wheel to make ATP, oxygen, and water. Again, oversimplification. Hub one is where NAD operates. And this is where I think most people get stuck. I think this is where we form a traffic jam. And so that exchange of electrons to protons slows just like if people are familiar with the traffic jam. You get stuck in traffic, can't go anywhere. So
stuck in traffic, can't go anywhere. So we can't make as much energy. This is very real. This is why I'm a big believer in NAD therapy. You know, I think I've overseen more NAD treatments than anyone on the planet. We got into it, you know, 12, 14 years ago before it was popular or anything. Very impressed with how NAD works. Very impressed. doesn't work for everybody. There's a lot of holes. We can't measure NAD levels. But clinically observing people who before they start NAD to after they go through NAD treatments, it's transformational for most people. Interesting. Yeah. Um and so that's part of that mitochondria. That's that's hub one. Hub two has to do with something called riboflavin um saxinic acid. Hub 3 is where we that CoQ10 I talked about is utilized. Hub 4 is also called cytochrome C oxidase is where methylene blue can bind and methylene blue basically if which has become super popular. People can take methylene blue and basically jumpst start their mitochondria because we can jump over these other hubs. So we can get these again conveyor belt working. This is that stuff you I think you injected it in me. Yeah, you took it as an IV. Yeah. And people eat it too. You can take it orally. People take it under the tongue. Turns their mouth blue. Yeah. That's that methylene blue stuff. Fascinating compound. This you show I think you showed me my cells under a microscope after that. We did live blood analysis. Yeah. Good memory. Yeah. And so so what is it doing? So So it's basically allowing for more
So So it's basically allowing for more efficient transmission of electrons for protons. So you can turn that wheel. That last wheel is what's important. So you're making more energy, right? Because that energy stored in this ATP molecule, adenazine triphosphate and we want more of that because that is the potential to have energy to go in your nervous system to help you think a thought, help you move, help you throw a ball, help you shoot a gun, whatever you want to do, help you train, right? You need ATP. You also need water. You know, the the largest substance in our body is water. And you need oxygen, right? To to live your life. And so I mean you showed me when I went there you showed I think there was uh I think there was a before and after comparison of what the cells look like before you gave it to me. Y what they look like after we did how long does that last? Probably not. I don't know per se cuz we haven't tested it out kind of longitudinally. And what we're talking about for your listeners is live blood analysis, right? As opposed to drawing your blood from your vein, sending it to a lab, and then days later, that blood is tested for a volume of a hormone or a cholesterol level, we're looking in real time. We prick your finger, we put your blood on a slide and look at that slide under the microscope, and we can see how your red blood cells are moving, how your white blood cells are aggregating or congregating. And what we've seen over and why you remember it is before people do treatments like this, it tends to move very slowly and
this, it tends to move very slowly and be kind of sludgy. This is represent this is what's happening in your bloodstream. And then you do a treatment like methylene blue and you look under the same microscope hour later and now the red blood cells are moving. They're cruising along. It's fascinating. So what is it doing? Well, there's an electrical charge and again this is over my pay grade. But that methylene blue is helping the electric electrical components of the cell and helping us make more ATP also more water and more oxygen. So, should we be taking that every day? I don't know if you need it every day, but you know, uh, couple times a week is probably a good thing. Yeah, couple times a week. It's It tends to be long acting. Again, it's gotten very popular. People are talking about it. um over people can take it every day but um I don't think you need to. I think it you know again for me it's least effective a dose for the maximal result. I think we want to be reasonable about it. Um but yeah I think it's a I think it's fabulous for the mitochondria. Also seems to be a great cognitive enhancer. So methylene blue can it's called a mild MAI inhibitor. So it keeps your dopamine and serotonin in your nervous system a little bit longer. So people report back and say they're a little bit sharper. Um and then we talked about a little bit earlier kind of repurposing drugs in terms of cancer therapy. I think methylene blue is utilized in that scenario as well. So it's versatility therapy. Yeah. For sure. [sighs] I can keep talking about the
I can keep talking about the mitochondria. I can talk about this dutarium if you want. Sure. Yeah. Go back to the dutarium. So again you asked me what what would I tell people or what would I do if cancer, right? go to that place in Thailand if I could and then I'd work on the water. Water we talked about, you know, you have to filter it. You have to remmineralize it. But water over time becomes heavy water. That's just from being on the earth. It's by no fault of anyone's. It's been shown. So I'm going to make up numbers here, but most people have a dutarium level of about 150 parts per million. Okay? There was many many years ago they found a group we talked about you know the the blue zones they found a group of people living in Siberia region no cancer and when they measured zero their dutyium levels were in the 80s and what is dutarium so dutarium is hydrogen that's morphed into essentially heavy hydrogen so it's got now one electron one proton one neutron Whereas hydrogen itself just has one electron, one proton. So there's going to be we're going to see more and more talk about this because I think it matters. How do you deplete your dutyium levels? Okay, does that make sense? Because because if you just eat the regular foods you're eating, you're not going to do it. If you just drink the regular water you're doing, you can't do it.
doing, you can't do it. So there's one way to do it. One well there's multiple ways, but the most practical way is you actually have to drink something called dutyium depleted water. So it's a fancy and complicated process where they're taking that dutarium and removing it from the water. Okay? So as opposed to being 150 parts per million, you can get it down to five. So if you consume one consumes dutium depleted water over and over again, over time they're going to deplete the dutaterium. Now there's a lot of work to be done but it resonates to me that if if one has cancer that's the perfect scenario for one working to deplete deplete their dutyium because based off that cohort of those people living in some Siberia region where there was no cancer and their dutyium levels were way lower than the average person. So the idea is oversimplification. Water is the most abundant compound in our body, right? I think everyone's familiar with that. Mhm. Most of it's, you know, the stuff we make by our mitochondria is dutarium depleted. That's the best kind. The stuff that's around our cells has a lot of dutarium. If we can convert and make get to lower duterium levels, it makes it easier to use for our body. And again, I'm not an expert on this. This is an oversimplification,
is an oversimplification, but I if I'm your listener, I'd look into it. So, we need hydrogenated water. You need dutyium depleted water. But isn't that the one and the same? They're similar, but but they're not the same. Dutyium is a kind of isotope of hydrogen. So, how do you get dutarium depleted water? There's a couple companies worldwide who make it. It's expensive. You have to order it. You do. It's not like a filter or something you can put under your sink. It's very And I I know the guys who started the company in America. They don't make it here. It's too expensive. It's called drink light water. Li T water. So, drink li water. That's where people can order it. It's expensive. Um going to get very expensive if that's the only water you drink. So I don't think that that's practical for most people. If you had cancer though, that would be something that that's very high on the list of what I would recommend and do. I would try to get your dutium level as low as possible. What do you think about hydrogenated water? Is it a gimmick? Is it real? I don't think it's gimmick. I think that better is hydrogenated gas you breathe. Okay. Yeah. And so different devices make different things. The problem with water is complicated, right? So I think that the the hydrogen water is not going to move the needle much, right? This is even like we saw this with alkaline water, right? People say if it's alkaline, is it alkalizing? Meaning, does it make your water uh you know, we're talking about pH scale, right? And they're talking about acid and alkaline.
they're talking about acid and alkaline. And people thought, well, if I drink more alkaline water, I'll become more alkaline because cancer grows in an acid environment. That's not totally true. Same thing with hydrogen-rich water. One of the things we I've got for our new office though is we're going to have a you know hydrogen generators while people are doing IVs and stuff, different treatments. They're going to be breathing in hydrogen gas because I think that makes more sense. Okay. Complicated. Lot lots of different tools here. Sounds like it. I know. You you uh just a little earlier you had mentioned um people coming in with 40 50 supplements. Yeah. taking 40 50 supplements and that we don't need that, but then but we're also talking about all the nutrition that's been depleted out of the yeah fruits and vegetables. So, how are we supposed to replace that if we're not doing all these supplements? I So, we like to test, right? And so, I again, if people need it, I'm not against it. I'm in favor of whatever works. I just think that the paradigm and and I get it. People listen to a podcast and then they buy three things based on it and they add and they're never subtracting and so their medicine cabinet grows to these now they're just taking and they don't know why they're taking it. So, if you're taking it for a particular reason, great. Right? You have a goal, great. But most people aren't they've gotten over the goal, right? Whether they're tired, whether they're low mood, whether they want to lose weight, they have pain. I'm not saying don't take the supplements. I think because you're right, they can be
think because you're right, they can be valuable tools. But if you're just taking blindly, you just added and you've amassed now all these supplements, you don't even know what they're doing. Just because they're natural and safe doesn't make them effective by any means. And so I'm a big favor of doing this for the long term. You know, making it reasonable for people. And I think there's some things that we should focus on. And then again, my view, lens of the world is it's not destination based. It's directional change. Meaning, oh, now you sprained your knee. Now you've, you know, now we got to work on the knee. Now you want to be a better golfer. Now we got to work on that. Now you have a test coming up. You're a student. You want to be a better focuser. There's lots of things we can do in a goal - directed manner which are great, but then once you get to the goal, I think you probably back off them. You know, you don't need to keep amassing them and that's what people tend to do. That's just my observation. Was there anything left on the mitochondria when needed to cover? Mitochondria. Yeah, I mean the mitochondria I so for me I tie in the mitochondria I think of again simplification just helps me of energy, right? I think what most people are looking for is energy. When I talk to [clears throat] people, what is the number one thing they want? More energy, right? People are tired now. People are stressed out. People wake up, they don't feel good. They have to caffeinate, stimulate. Um, people get a second wind, so now they don't sleep. People can't turn on the energy. I think of like a little child, right? They can turn off and on that energy when at will. I think that's the goal, right? It's not just having energy. It's having energy when you want it, when you need
energy when you want it, when you need it. And I think it's fascinating. And so I to me there's seven different energy circuits essentially, right? The mitochondria are one of them. We can talk about the others, but the mitochondria are powerful and it's like the cellular circuitry and and you know it's very real for people when you know we give them mitochondrial enhancing nutrients like NAD, like methylene blue, like CoQ10 and watch what happens. I'm a strict clinician. I'm not an academic and I have the fortune of being able to observe people who do these therapies and take these certain nutrients and it's a game changer for a lot of them. You know, we talked about um before um you know, you had Pete Scabel on, right? Great amazing podcast, amazing great American. I got to know Pete like a decade ago and he he stands out in my mind when I got to know him. He was complaining that he couldn't read, his eyes would go all over the place, chronic daily headaches, and he was depressed. And he'd been through the VA system left and right, upside down. They weren't helping him. You're more familiar with this than I am, working with a lot of veterans. And so, um, he was living in Aspen at the time, went out to Aspen, um, and we gave him NAD, IV. And again, this is like 2016, this before it was any bit popular. After two treatments, Pete's symptoms were gone. After two treatments. Yeah.
Yeah. Wow. And, um, if you talk to him about it, he'd still say it was an impactful part of his life. And, um, I still work with Pete. Um and it's and that is indicative of how other people respond to NAD and that's when the mitochondria has been damaged through you know he told me he was blown up 50 plus time he had 50 plus traumatic brain injuries right NAD works first you know on the nervous system and if your nervous system is in disarray and been harmed by blasts we get energy into that nervous system it can start to heal okay so yeah I mean the mitochondria is very well studied from an academic perspective. I think it's part of how people um you know whether it's taking NAD or these NAD precursors. I find NAD itself to be the best. Again, that's just my experience overseeing tons and tons of NAD treatments. Now, we have methylene blue. Um and then there are certain mitochondrial nutrients. What are the three keys? So this is what I think of as like three paradoxes, right? That this is just my take on it from working with people and fascinated with human health and progress. The first is um energy comes from rest. That's number one. And I think you know we live in a time where people beat themselves up. You know workouts become
themselves up. You know workouts become a chore. We have to put our foot on the gas more and more. And people don't value downtime and recovery time. So that's the first. The second is symptoms are signals. The conventional medicine, modern medicine says if you've got this, something's wrong. I'd look at it and say actually that's your body healing, right? You've got knee pain, you got a headache, you got fatigue, you're out of alignment. So we need to honor those signals and understand them as opposed to giving you band-aids. I mean, band-aids are appropriate every now and then. Let's figure it out. Let's get to the root cause. The last is strength comes from coherence, right? And the way I think about this, I just read this. I didn't come up with this. If you were to hold water in your hand and you squeeze it, what happens? Goes between your fingers. What happens if you hold it with your open palm? It stays. Right? So, we become more still and more co more coherent. Think about your body. Like we already talked about, water is the most dominant substance in the body. If you're squeezing and tight and under stress all the time, you're not very fluid. If you're not very fluid, you know, and you know this better than I from your training, like working with people, it's not just about having big biceps. It's about how can you be coherent. So those I think are the three keys.
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the app, tap connect, done. You're protected. Remember, privacy isn't paranoia, it's protection. Take your privacy back. Download Glacier today. All right, Doc. We're back from the break. So, uh, I just went and looked up the light water. Expensive, right? Yeah. I I just But I ordered it. But it's worth trying. It is expensive, but like we were just saying it, I [clears throat] think it tastes like the cleanest water you've ever had. Wow. Yeah. I mean, there's something to it. It's expensive water, but [clears throat] I'd like people to try stuff. You know, I I think that it's you just don't know what'll click. Do they expect people to drink this all the time? Again, it depends, right? So, like we were talking about in the context of you've got active cancer. I don't know of another way. What they say is a a higher saturated fat diet has the least amount of dutarium, but I think that takes a while, right? So, if you've got and and the guys I know who started the company, um, one's named uh, Robert, the other's Victor, they would say you if you've got active cancer, you don't necessarily want to lower it too quickly because you could have a tumor crisis is what's called like a a tumor if it it can kind of lice and and I don't want to say explode, but implode and and that can cause some problems. You can get blood clots, things like that. So, you you want to do it in a gradual way. But the idea is if you've got cancer,
got cancer, I don't know of a more practical thing one can do than to lower their dutarium. Wow. Knowing what I know, I mean, there's lots of protocols, supplements, people talking about baking soda, green tea extract. I mean, on and on. Removing toxicity, stopped using a microwave, you know, only using stainless steel or glass to cook, things like that to remove toxicity. I'm talking about very basic stuff. They they need to be teaching this in school. But I went down I just watched this uh documentary. I'm actually going to try to get this woman on. Okay. And she was talking about the fertility crisis because of the micro plastics. Have you seen this? I haven't seen it, but I you know it's be it's interesting topic because it's become normal for couples to jump right into in vitro fertilization. This is all new. That's kind That's what This is all new. She brought on, I know it's a small sample size and she says that in the documentary, but [clears throat] she brings on, I believe it's six couples who are trying to get pregnant, young couples. One of them had been trying to get pregnant for 10 years. Wow. And she brings these people in and and I mean, I'm not a doctor. I don't know the tests, but she tests them, you know, just to see uh she tests the sperm count in each one of the males and then she tests the I don't know the microlastics and I guess she can test for those. Mhm. How many microplastics each one of them have in? And so she she does the test and then they go through and and she's there for 90 days
there for 90 days and they go through and they just wipe out everybody's, you know, what are you wearing? What are you drinking? What are you cooking your food in? How what are you buying your food in? You know, how basically like how what are you drinking your water out of? What do you you know, all this And it's it's like everything we have everything. Oh. Is I didn't realize I guess skin absorbs 40% of everything you put on it. Yeah. I mean, depends. I don't I've heard different statistics, but yeah. Anyways, I mean, think about she she does this thing for these people. you know, and and then, you know, they do like the revamp like, "All right, now you're going to buy berries from this place. Do this and that and the other thing." I think every one of these couples got pregnant after the 90 days. I mean, it's again, you said they should teach this in school, but no, that's not the goal, Sean. You know that. Cutting boards. No, every everything I know, but the goal is to keep people as customers, right? keep us our our energies dim. So we keep coming back to the trough for more medicines, more testing and then more diseases and I and we've normalized it. We've completely normalized chronic disease and think that this is I don't think it's a normal at all. I don't think this is how people lived. I think it's supposed to be vital, strong, immersed. I always think of like children who are fascinating because
children who are fascinating because children don't know what temperature it is, what time it is. They are absolutely immersed in what they're doing. You know, you say to a kid, "Come back before dark." They don't know what before dark is, you know, but we can't do that as adults. We can't be present. Yeah. I know you're right. So, I like to live out in the woods. I don't I mean, I think that's such a healthy choice. I think it's awesome of you and they've shown I mean you can speed up and go to the technology side of being in the forest in the woods is very healing. Um just being out in nature is very healing. I tell people because I we talked about a little bit earlier about circadian rhythm and kind of how people handle cortisol and the fastest way I tell people if you want to get your belf back in sync go camping for 3 days. Don't take your phone or leave it in the car, whatever. Don't check it and sleep on the earth. You will get back in sync. Your body knows. Interesting. Yeah. But we've gotten so disconnected and again I'm not advocating people want to go do that full-time. Great. I think most of us are looking for mitigation strategies. Yep. You know, like how can we have a little bit of both? That's fine. Let's talk about protocols. Yeah. Start with peptides. Perfect. Here [laughter] we go. Yeah. Peptides, right? 2025 became the year with the peptide. You know, I've been fortunate. I think, you know, I don't know the number, but I've probably
don't know the number, but I've probably overseen more peptide treatments than anyone probably in this country, maybe on the planet. I was in the right place at the right time. When I researched you on uh Anthropics Claude, it it says you are the godfather of peptides. All right. Well, good. We're good. [laughter] We'll leave it at that. But um I you know to be really on the very very elemental level peptides are chains of amino acids. We call it a peptide if it's 40 amino acids in length or shorter. We call it a protein if it's 41 amino acids in length or longer. By definitions these are small molecules. They're signaling molecules. And I've been super impressed with peptides um because they're very very safe you know and to me it always got to be safety first. And so I think of them to make a distinction for people. I think of peptides as like whispering to your cells and pharmaceuticals like a sledgehammer. Yeah, I think that's just a good analogy. And so sledgehammer is we're going to take the same dose, give it the same everyone. We're going to have side effects, but by golly, you're going to feel something. And and peptides are working with your biology, you know, signaling. So there's lots of different categories of peptides. There's the growth hormone releasing peptides, things like epipamelen, tessamelen, um, serarellin, and these, by and large, all the peptides we're talking about are injected. So, they're injected under the skin. In the case of the growth hormone releasing peptides, travel up to the part of the brain that releases growth hormone, binds the growth hormone receptor, and puts out some growth
receptor, and puts out some growth hormone. Well, as we know, as people get older, stress out their bodies, we put out less growth hormone. Growth hormone is an anabolic hormone like testosterone and it's in charge of helping us mend, heal, recover, rejuvenate our cells, our tissues. That's why it's banned in professional sports, right? If you're a pitcher and you injure your elbow, you want to be back in two weeks, not two months. Well, growth hormone will do that. And so, um, I still use a lot of growth hormone when appropriate with my patients, but we've replaced a lot of that with these peptides because it gets you most of the way there and it's working with your own biology. It's giving you a push. So, that's a big category. Another big category is the anti-inflammatory peptides like BPC157. That's the one I was talking about earlier. Yeah, the one that you said you'd think. Yeah, we have you on a combination of which includes the BPC. It's it's I have torn rotator cuff. I don't know what's going on with the other shoulder, but Yeah. Usually I can't lift my shoulder over 90 degrees. And I think I was on that for I don't know two weeks, maybe a month. Yeah. And full rotation. Yeah. And that's your experience. So what is it doing? Yeah. It's very anti-inflammatory to the soft tissue. So the tendons and ligaments, you know, um it's it comes from again our kind of our stomach juices. This this particular peptide stands for body protection compound. So your experience is what a lot of people experience with BPC. A lot of people experience I had a patient in the office
experience I had a patient in the office this week um and he plays guitar and does a lot of yard work and he messed up his forearm and we actually gave him introvenous BPC cuz we use some of these peptides introvenously and he said he had two treatments and he said I'm I'm 100% better. So does it go away? It heals, right? So I think a lot of it with the inflammation is you're getting like we talked about earlier you're getting aggregation of inflammatory cells you know that sit in the tissue sit in the extracellular space and they may hit nerves right they may cause nerve irritation which is then sending a signal to your brain pain um and what they do is they help facilitate the removal of these inflammatory cytoines and this cascade so that you don't have it aggregated there so it's actually healing it. Now the challenge is is for people is once you're healed don't reinjure right and people have a hard time is you know my patients tend to be the peak performers of the world right they don't want to take any time off and that's a challenge and I get it and so as we get older we're in this degenerative state you know we're very focused on lifting weights and getting strong but we also get tight we get firm what tends to happen to people is well firm breaks that's just a reality So I think including peptides you could argue that one who works out a lot should be on BPC57 you know and we were talking about earlier interesting day because the today and tomorrow is the day the FDA is
today and tomorrow is the day the FDA is discussing if these peptides will still be allowed to be compounded. Compounded means made by a pharmacy and that's how we do it. We don't use any research chemicals. They're all individually made. They're all the best sourcing highest potency. They're all tested, analyzed, made by pharmacies who are FDA registered, state board, you know, inspected. Best of the best. We do it all the best way. What happened a couple years ago is the FDA removed them. They said they can't be compounded anymore. This is why these gray marketed peptide took off so people can go online and get their own peptides with no oversight from sources that are, you know, probably contaminated or illegitimate. I'm not saying they're all bad. That's not the way it works. But there we don't have any oversight. When they're when we're allowed to use them, like hopefully we will be able to, you know, then we can now and hopefully that continues. Well, then we can continue to compound them in a very safe manner. And that's what I'm What's their argument? I do understand it, right? Their argument is that the compound didn't go through the FDA approval process, right. So if we look at drugs, pharmaceuticals, lot of money, a lot of research following the hoops that the FDA wants you to jump through, including safety studies and certainly, you know, testing on people and looking at, you know, what goes wrong, what goes right. We don't have that for these compounds. Lots of things are, but to the FDA.
but to the FDA. Exactly. Now, the challenging part with this is they sit in a gray area because they're most of them are injected, right? If we take something like a nutritional supplement like vitamin C, never FDA approved on the counter. You can get vitamin C. Take as much or as little as you want. Well, people would argue, well, that's because you take it orally, like you it's very, very safe. Now, what I would argue, and I've actually spoken to people in the Trump administration about this a little while ago, maybe a year ago, is I think we need to evolve where we are, how the FDA works, right? My argument to them was what we saw with the COVID vaccine was that the FDA was going to expedite pushing through a vaccine that was never tested. We know that's true now. It was never tested. It was a big experiment. The testing came after it was released, not before using these mRNA, whatever you want to call them. That was the testing, right? It wasn't that they were tested beforehand and said, "Oh, they were tested while we used them." That's a big problem. But since they're able to do that and now a lot of that's become the norm, right? These pharmaceutical companies are seeking fast approval process based on something like the COVID vaccine saying there's such a need and such an urgency. People can argue that. What I said to them, I think there also needs to be a place for compounds to be evaluated which have proven to be very safe. I don't think that's happening. Right. Again, I've just seen again I think that I don't think people at the FDA are out to harm us. I don't think pharmaceutical companies are out to harm us. But it's a
companies are out to harm us. But it's a business. It's it's I mean I think it's a business. It's pretty much been established. I mean, yeah, we need a lobbying firm. I don't know. So So my hope is today and tomorrow they meet and they say, "Hey, seems safe. We're not hearing of, you know, adverse reactions, which there aren't. We're not hearing of, you know, I want to remind people minimal minimal 7, 000 deaths a year from medicines. That's just the lowest number possible. At least 200, 000 adverse reactions that are reported a year from just medicines being prescribed. [clears throat] These are big numbers. So, this happens every day with a pharmaceutical. Yet there's so many pharmaceuticals that they're still, you know, yet peptides because they don't fit into this category or that we have to be we can't use. I mean, there is a narrative out there. I've had somebody on the show that actually brought it up that said that um they think that the use of peptides will create an uptick in the in cancer. Is there any truth to that? I I don't think so at all. [snorts] No, that doesn't resonate with me. And I I think the the challenge is this is and this is just my observation. We have a lot of people reading about what a peptide does and then from my perspective I see what it does to people clinically.
it does to people clinically. I am biased. I'm going to be on the clinical side. I take care of a lot of people over the years and we're talking 10 plus years of using peptides. Is it perfect? No. Has I've ever seen cancer develop? No, you know, and we're talking big numbers of people now. Mhm. Have I seen blood clots, heart? No. None of it. Have I seen a rash from an injection? Sure. Have I seen it not work? Sure. And I know what they're talking about with BPC causing angioenesis. But the count that's where you develop new blood vessels for for cancer say, "Oh, well, the cancer which is now developing new blood vessel has a blood supply, so it's going to feed on its own, right? And the BPC could be making that worse." That's one theoretical. too. I could argue that's a really healthy thing with heart disease, right? And this happens already naturally. If someone's got an artery that's feeding their heart muscle and it's becoming full of plaque, the body is intelligent enough to make new blood vessels to fulfill where those, you know, those tissues need to be supplied by oxygen. That's angioenesis, too. You see what I'm saying? Mhm. So, I don't know. Right. And so some people would come at this like we've been talking about and say, "Well, we need to do longitudinal study." That's probably a good thing, right? But you have to do it clinically. And the trouble with doing clinically, we've touched upon this unless we're doing some sort of live real-time analysis. How do we really know, right? And and it gets tricky and it's hard to do
and it gets tricky and it's hard to do and it's harder to do than I think we've been led to believe. Um I'm all in favor of learning. Um, but I'm not in favor of dismissing anecdotal data as BS because it's doesn't count because it wasn't done by a proper study. I'm just not because my experience is the anecdotal data data is super valuable. I'm interested in people sitting in front of me. What What are some other things that you would use peptides for? So, there's peptides for inflammation, right? So, BPC157, TB500, they have these weird names. KPV, GHK-CU, which is GHK copper. All of these are very anti-inflammatory, right? So, they're promoting anti-inflammatory mechanisms, not pro-inflammatory mechanisms. There's peptides for the nervous system. One called CAX, which was developed in Russia many decades ago to help people who've had a stroke, people who had a traumatic brain injury. CAX and its cousin sank. Sank taps into the GABA system, which is our calming system. That's the same receptors that alcohol and benzo tap into. Well, sank is very calming for some people. Um, in fact, the combination of CAX and Sank is like a natural aderall. Um, and so we make that into a nasal spray. I have a lot of patients who try that because, you know, I like the nasal spray because it's kind of a quick hit to the nervous system and they can redose it. Not going to say it's perfect and certainly not for everybody. But, you know, one of my problems with mainstream medicine is a lot of doctors
mainstream medicine is a lot of doctors act like gatekeepers. like, "No, you can't do it." Why should it be up to them? Like, if it's safe, why can't the patient try? I'm a big believer, let people try and explore. As long as we're doing it safely. And from my perspective, I have more experience with stuff than most. I We're going to start there, right? We're going to start as a reference point. I only want to want you to try it if it's safe. We're never going to recommend things that are out of bounds ever. And I recognize that doctors don't know either, right? We train a lot of doctors. They're interested in learning. But to your point, we need to teach this stuff. It's not coming from conventional medical education. That's not part of their model. So I want to help these providers, these physicians learn how to use these tools. So other peptides good for the nervous system. Cacen cerebral. We've had great success. Cerebral is this neuropeptide. Patients who've had a stroke. You know, my nurse practitioner um her dad had a stroke. He did so well using cerebral ly just subcutaneously injecting himself. She said he made such an amazing recovery and she used to work in a kind of stroke rehab center. So she has a lot of experience with it. So cerebral another one um that we can use. There's mitochondrial peptides. peptides like M C which I think of as the stronger fitter faster peptide helps with body composition and energy humanin which is like the DNA repair uh peptide
which is like the DNA repair uh peptide one called SS-31 which we talked about the mitochondria we talked about where methylene blue binds on that fourth hub well that's where SS31 binds to help keep the shape and architecture of the mitochondria intact so again it's challenging lot of different peptides How do we know what to use? Well, the way I do it is I want to understand patients motivation, understand their story, understand their goals, and then we start. And then I want feedback. How's it working? Are you experienc with you? My shoulders feeling better. We're on the right track. I have more energy. I'm sleeping better. There's peptides for circadian rhythm, one called epalon. Um there's one called pinealon which helps us release more melatonin. I could go on and on, but I think you get the gist. What other crap of protocols? Hormones are a big deal. I think understanding we touched upon this a little bit as people age. I think the most tangible thing that happens is that their hormones decline, right? And there's a lot of hormones. Hormones by definition are just messenger molecules. So we have adrenal hormones, cortisol, DHEA, pregnenolone. There's thyroid hormone which works with, you know, metabolism. There's insulin is a signaling hormone that helps get, you know, glucose utilized. There's growth hormone, which is an anabolic hormone. Testosterone, another anabolic hormone, probably the biggest deal for men. There's estrogen, progesterone.
There's estrogen, progesterone. Um, you can see there's a lot. And so, what we like to do is understand someone's where they are. And if clinically and in the lab they're low or they're exhibiting signs of deficiencies, we may consider replacing those, you know, deficiencies with bioidentical hormones. So for men, testosterone is the first and obvious place to look. Most men don't realize that low testosterone in a man is the number one risk factor for heart disease, stroke, depression, and dementia. Is it really? Yeah, it's a big deal. as well as if you look at the studies, clinical studies, men who replace their testosterone report a higher quality of life across the board. So again, the goal is not to manipulate. The goal is not to make your arms as big as your legs, unless you are bodybuilder, you want to do that. We never want to manipulate the hormones. We want to help you get back and you and we want to trial, you know, taking this hormone or those hormones and see how you feel, see how you respond. For most people, it's a very positive experience. The goal is never to make someone younger. I think that's a silly silly goal. The the goal is to help people feel their best so they can perform their best at any age. So what [clears throat] what what level te should somebody have? I mean are do you are we shooting for it's relative what we had at a when we were 21. Some people say so here's how I look at it is you know we want to you go to the regular doctor and it's like oh your grade for your age.
like oh your grade for your age. Yeah. So let's talk about what does that mean? I I agree. So let's talk about where do reference ranges come from? Right? Reference ranges come from what's in the population. And as we've talked about, the majority of people in the population, we're talking about adults, overweight, tired, depressed, and taking at this point multiple pharmaceuticals. So just being in that range to me is mediocre. I don't want anyone to be mediocre. Life's too short to be mediocre. So when we're looking at the ranges, we want it to be on the upper end of the range, right? And so it doesn't mean like for example testosterone range most labs normal is going to be somewhere between 200 and we'll say 1500. Some labs it's more some labs it's less. It doesn't mean you have to be 1500 to feel your best by no means. Again it's exploration. Everyone's different. Everyone has different um stories that they tell that stories they experience life that they live. So if we do a trial of testosterone over time we find hey I'm feeling great and we draw their blood and it's 800 great doesn't mean we have to shoot for the moon and it certainly doesn't mean we want to manipulate it and get super physiologic you know because any kind of thing you do the body there's going to be other things it affects when men take more testosterone they're going to make more estrogen sometimes that's good but they're making too much estrogen they feel bloated swollen they gain water weight they get really emotional Um, some of these hormones I think of them like kids on a playground. Some of them like tes testosterone are the fun, happy kid. Everyone wants more testosterone. Other hormones like
testosterone. Other hormones like cortisol or stress hormones like the big bad bully. Too much cortisol, too little cortisol has a negative impact on other hormones. In terms of testosterone though, because this is a great question. If we start and someone is low, I just want them to be higher associated with how they feel. Now, does that mean that if we measure and they say, "Hey, I'm I think I could sleep better." That we can't try going a little higher. Sure, if it's appropriate. But I think there's an interesting book. It's called The Trouble with Testosterone, and it was written by this guy, he's a sociologist at Stanford called uh his name's Robert Seapolski, and he studies baboons in the wild. He also wrote another book um called Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers. Fascinating guy talk that talks about stress. But the trouble with testosterone to summarize is he found that in the baboon population you have the alpha male with the highest level of testosterone and then you have the number five in the pecking order with the lowest level of testosterone. No Both of those had the shortest lifespan. Number one, number five had the shortest lifespan. The longest lifespan was number three, right in the middle. And his theory was if you're number one, you're always trying to stay number one. That's very stressful. If you're number five, you're always trying to get to the top. That's very stressful. If you're number three, you're good, but you don't have to be too good. And I think that applies to a lot of things in life. So to answer your question, I just want people to be on the closer to the top, but based on how they feel. The more more stuff we use, the more
The more more stuff we use, the more side effects we're going to have. So hormones, I think talking about protocols, they're foundational, right? For a female, it's thyroid hormone. Used to be progesterone, it's a thyroid hormone. Thy low thyroid in women has become an epidemic. Most women their 40s and 50s are going to have some thyroid problems. Not a pessimist. I'm just a realist. What do you think about GLP1? Great question. I think by and large they're a great tool and I've seen this right. I think we've been using semigluttersite for almost six years now, maybe seven years. And I think they work. If I am looking at a weight loss tool, I think it's the most reliable right now. I think you have to use it judiciously. I think that helping people start at a low dose, take their time, go slowly. There's never urgency to me to lose weight. You know, I hear from people, I need to lose weight in a month. You know, I remember some of these supermodels I work with, hey, I'm doing a shoot in two weeks. Can we any season? Yeah. Like, can we get it? We got to have good expectations. But for most people, the vast majority of us, there's no urgency, right? So, we want to take our time. And the way they work is they are it's a signaling molecule. So it's slowing down gastric emptying. So your food as it goes through your stomach and your digestive tract is going to be slowed down. So you're going to feel full faster. As you feel full faster, you're not going to eat as much. If you don't eat as much, you're going to lose weight, but you're going to do so and you're not going to feel cranky. I think they can be very effective that way. I really do. And by and large, if
way. I really do. And by and large, if we use them judiciously and take our time, we really don't see a lot of side effects. The trouble seemingly that we have now, and it's not really trouble, is people don't want to come off of them. And so people want to stay on them because they're like, I'm afraid I'm going to lose the weight back. And I understand that. And and again, I think if we're using low dose and we're checking in and we're monitoring, we're probably good. What I'm starting to see is at higher dose, whatever that is, but higher dose, people are experiencing anhidonia. They're coming back and they don't find pleasure anymore. They don't enjoy sex. They don't want to drink, you know, coffee. Tequila doesn't taste good. They're just not as satisfied. And so, I think it's showing that it doesn't just work on the food pathways. It's working on pleasure pathways. And it's going to be interesting to see how it plays out. But as a tool, I think they can be very effective. We've also learned that a lot of people with autoimmune disease and chronic inflammation can benefit from lowdose TLP1s. So, I'm a fan if used appropriately. You know, um we monitor um I do have some people um who overshoot, you know, I had a patient just a couple months ago, I had to call her out and said, "Hey, I think this is you're going too far too fast. you know, you you're not looking healthy. You you've lost weight. I get it. But we got to dial that back. And she
got to dial that back. And she appreciated it. Um like everything because there's always going to be bad apples who overh Yeah. What about ozone? Ozone is interesting. I mean ozone which is technically 03 and kind of falls [clears throat] in this category of like oxygen therapies um traditionally has been used for many decades primarily for wound healing right and so the idea and it still is um because the the more we need to heal a wound we need more oxygen in that environment. This is why hyperbaric oxygen in the setting of wound healing is very powerful. My wife just had this complicated nose surgery and and the surgeon as part of the recovery have to go into hyperbaric oxygen after the treatments for days upon days because he found that after having a surgery you can accelerate the healing. And she's found that she's really enjoyed the hyperaric oxygen and that you know the trouble with oxygen not to get too far off the path is for to get oxygen into our system. This is what happens with CPAP. We have to pressurize it. Right? So the idea with people having sleep apnnea, if they have a decreased airway and they're not getting enough oxygen to their brain, you can't just have them breathe in oxygen. They won't get more oxygen into their system. So you have to pressurize it. So then we have these devices that sit on the side of the bed, which no one likes, but it allows for more oxygen to get to the brain so they don't have apnneic events
brain so they don't have apnneic events where their blood, you know, oxygen dropping too low. Ozone tying it back in is another one of these therapies that helps oxygenate our tissues. And so what we do in our office, there's different ways to do ozone um is we'll start an IV and then we'll draw the blood out into a bag. It's a pump system, so it draws the blood out into a bag. We take oxygen gas, we turn it into ozone, which is 03. So we're taking O2 to 03, putting that in the blood, mixing it, and then we're turning the bag over and running that blood back in. We run it through a UV light to essentially clean it and we're kind of oxygenating their system. Now industrially ozone gas is used to like clean out used cars. It has a you know disinfected effect. So we think of that happening in the body. So we've seen it with people who have chronic not necessarily chronic but things going in their gut or postviral or they're coming down with an infection. They have a bacterial infection, a viral infection, a yeast infection. you can use ozone successfully to help clean out that system and then allows their own innate immune system to strengthen and work. So, I think it works well for that, but it also works as an oxygenator which just helps people have more energy. How often should should somebody be doing that? It's variable. I think it depends on what they're working on. If just from a pure, you know, preventive, I want to be my best. I want people to try it if they feel good from it, maybe once a month. I
feel good from it, maybe once a month. I don't necessarily think more than that. Maybe once every couple months. Um if they're working on stuff. We've had people who whether it's postcoid or some other viral thing, they're doing it twice a week. So it just depends. Twice a week. Wow. Yeah. It's very safe. Um and again has a long history. Have you seen these? Um I can't remember what they call it. You I think I know what you're talking about where people have the bags of yellow. Yeah. Looks like they pissed in a bag. And yeah, the what is that? Plasma feresis. Yeah. So what they're doing is like dialysis, right? And so they're the idea is is we're going to clean the blood really really well. And so they're they're plasma exchange is basically what it is. So they're drawing their blood out. They're separating the components. The plasma or serum is the the fluid. They take the red blood cells out and they run it through filters or something and then they run it back in. and the stuff that they're holding is kind of what they call the debris. Now, I think it's more hype than anything. Um, and the reason I say that is I've known several people to do this treatment and they're like, "Eh, didn't notice much." The other thing I think about, maybe I'm thinking the wrong way, I don't know, is dialysis, they don't get better. If someone has chronic kidney disease and they're on diialysis, that doesn't get better because they're doing dialysis. dialysis is filtering their blood so they can remain, you know, alive essentially. So, I think
you know, alive essentially. So, I think it's a bit of a stretch to say we're just going to clean your blood and you're going to be even healthier. I'm not saying it's bad, but it tends to be very expensive and I've heard it's very uncomfortable. So, when I try to evaluate therapies, I don't want to do things that are hurting people per se and there has to be some efficacy. In fact, a lot of efficacy. So, you're kind of on the fence about this. I'm not on the fence. I don't recommend it. You don't recommend it? Not plasma feresis? No, I don't recommend it at all. I looked into offering it in training and and the training was exorbitantly expensive. The business model didn't make sense to me. And people are you have to charge people I mean I think people are paying 15 20, 000 per I looked at it per session. Yeah. Per that I I can't make sense of that. I have a hard time understanding that particular when I have people tell me directly multiple people did it. Didn't notice anything. You're going to spend that much money. I would hope you notice something. Same thing with like peptides. A little bit off topic. If you're injecting yourself with something on a regular basis, I hope you're feeling it, right? I don't want it to be that people are just injecting. Well, I think it's working. Uh-uh. I want you to feel it. So, I'm not a fan of plasma feresis. Um, I understand why people would do it, right? Again, it's all contextual. If someone had cancer, if someone had some grave disease, why not? Again, why not try everything? But I want to go back to the light plasma. The Say that again.
The Say that again. Light plasma. PEMF. Light plasma. Yeah. The PEMF with the magnetic therapy. So what is that doing? I'm not, this is not my, you know, subject matter. The way I think about what has been explained to me, we're electrical beings, right? And so electricity is kind of how we we had electricity before we had chemicals. Meaning there was charge potential, there was voltage. We know that for example our mitochondria maintain a cells maintain a voltage to exchange ions or exchange different minerals to allow cellular processes to continue. Gross oversimplification. That electricity also creates a magnetic current. And that magnetic current can get incoherent. And what the PEMF does is essentially lines up. This people are familiar with magnetic therapy, right? Uhhuh. Two things repel and then you put positive minus and you get attraction. We're trying to get our cells lined up so there's coherence again. So why would someone want to do that? Well, a lot of people are living with pain, inflammation. Um, you know, my wife's got a lot of kind of stored up tension, pain in her muscles and she's done a lot of that PEMF and really finds it to make a difference. It's wow. And it's noninvasive. Um, and you're looking at 15 20 minute sessions, sometimes longer,
15 20 minute sessions, sometimes longer, but in in the terms of looking at the body contextually, you know, more holistically, it's more than just chemicals. And so that's why I'm excited about incorporating some of these energy devices from PEMF to hydrogen gas inhalation vibrational plate. Um we're also looking at viro acoustic therapy which is sound as you know mechanical therapy. Yeah. So there's this pod I just tried um it's called solome s o l o d o m e. and um basically sit in it and there's different frequencies you can apply different songs but it's basically helping your cells get tuned again a lot of people say that's quackery that's woowoo I don't think so you know our our physical being is both mechanical it's electrical it's magnetic it's chemical it's all of the above these therapies that you know are noninvasive um again going back to ancient traditions drumming drumming sir. I mean this has a very profound impact on people. Rhythm, sound, um different frequency. It's a big deal. So we're just trying to understand it. You know, how do you create an environment for the human to thrive, not just be mediocre? Any other protocols? I think for people to do at home um is, you know, there's a lot of talk about HRV therapy or HRV understanding,
about HRV therapy or HRV understanding, right? heart rate variability. And what that means is like the in between the beats of the heart beating um we should have coherence. I've said that word a lot in syncness. It should be in sync. Um so people are using their Whoop or their Aura Ring or their Apple Watch and trying to get an HRV reading which ties into their readiness score, their sleep score. And I think that's fine. I think those are probably not the best ways. I think the the best way is to get um like Garmin makes a a chest strap called the Polar device. You just put it on. There's an app and you can do HRV testing. And I think it makes sense for people to do this at home when you wake up in the afternoon. Understand your baseline and then examine what you do whether it's behaviorally or things you take and see how your HRV is affected. The higher the HRV has been associated with better health outcomes. So that's something I think is important for people to consider. Easy, right? Not complicated. You don't have to do it every day, but just try to get a baseline, understand yourself. I think what's missing for people is an, you know, a self-awareness. And, you know, for better or for worse, people are looking for permission for people to do things. You know, that's become very popular. Oh, listen to that podcast. They said to do that. Well, try it out. See how it works for you. You know what I mean? I'm a big fan of exploring that and wanting people to explore it. Everyone's different. Yeah. I commonly hear particularly with
Yeah. I commonly hear particularly with peptides, hey, my brother, my cousin was doing this peptide. They're doing amazing. Why aren't I? Well, you're very different than your brother and your cousin. You know, doesn't mean it can't work for you, but maybe you need a different dose. Maybe you need different dosing. Maybe you need twice a day instead of once a day. That's what we like trying to help people do is figure out that individualization. What am I missing? I don't know. I think we've got it. Yeah, this is awesome. Doc, I just want to say, Sean, you're doing amazing work. You you've had an amazing life. Um God's really chosen you to do some heavy lifting. You know, you you're selfless. You sacrifice throughout your life. uh means a lot that I get to know you, that you invite me to have conversations with your audience, and just want you to know, speaking for the rest of your audience, how grateful we are for someone like you. I know it's not easy um when you do have to sacrifice and you do have to do heavy lifting, but I can tell you it's noticed and from my vantage point, it's very much appreciated. Thank you for coming. Thank Thank you. Thank you for coming. Thank you for saying that. and um hope to see opening office here in Middle Tennessee. [laughter] We'll see. But I'll keep going to South Carolina in the meantime. I appreciate [music] it. All right, Doc. It was an honor. Thank you. My tip.
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The episode moves through stress, metabolic health, environmental exposure, hormones, peptides, and recovery. The common thread is personalization. Two people can carry the same diagnosis or goal and need very different inputs.
That is a useful corrective to one-size-fits-all wellness. Precision begins with context: history, labs, symptoms, training load, sleep, nutrition, and risk tolerance.
Even when the conversation turns toward advanced therapies, the ordinary inputs remain central. Light, water quality, nutrient sufficiency, circadian rhythm, movement, and time in nature are not background details. They shape the terrain that every intervention lands on.
Longevity is rarely one decisive move. It is the accumulation of signals the body receives every day.
Peptides and hormones can sound compelling because they promise specificity. But specificity in language is not the same as certainty in outcomes. Evidence, sourcing, supervision, and follow-up matter.
The wise posture is interested but not swept away. The goal is not more interventions. The goal is better function, measured carefully.
Resilience is built when the signal is strong enough to adapt to, and measured enough to return from.
Personalization should mean measured context, not a longer list of compounds.
Strengthen daily inputs before interpreting the effect of advanced therapies.
Keep peptides and hormones inside qualified clinical supervision and evidence-based follow-up.
