How Sauna Detoxified My Body Bryan Johnson Podcast

00:00When I was going through this, I was When I was going through this, I was like, I'm destroyed. And I thought, is like, I'm destroyed. And I thought, is like, I'm destroyed. And I thought, is this normal? So, I called Kate and I was this normal? So, I called Kate and I was this normal? So, I called Kate and I was like, Kate, do you want to come over and like, Kate, do you want to come over and like, Kate, do you want to come over and do sauna? So, I wanted to get her do sauna? So, I wanted to get her do sauna? So, I wanted to get her experience and see like if she was using experience and see like if she was using experience and see like if she was using me as a guinea pig essentially. me as a guinea pig essentially. me as a guinea pig essentially. Like, is this as bad for you as it is Like, is this as bad for you as it is Like, is this as bad for you as it is for me? So, I was like, what am I for me? So, I was like, what am I for me? So, I was like, what am I walking into? I was kind of scared cuz, walking into? I was kind of scared cuz, walking into? I was kind of scared cuz, and that's the other thing I asked. I and that's the other thing I asked. I and that's the other thing I asked. I was like, is this safe? Like, 200° F is was like, is this safe? Like, 200° F is was like, is this safe? Like, 200° F is insanely hot. Like Brian and I looked it insanely hot. Like Brian and I looked it insanely hot. Like Brian and I looked it up and what it takes 20 minutes to cook up and what it takes 20 minutes to cook up and what it takes 20 minutes to cook an egg in that. Yeah. If you put an egg an egg in that. Yeah. If you put an egg an egg in that. Yeah. If you put an egg in there, it's it's hot enough where the in there, it's it's hot enough where the in there, it's it's hot enough where the the white uh actually solidifies. And so the white uh actually solidifies. And so the white uh actually solidifies. And so I was kind of a little bit nervous. I was kind of a little bit nervous. I was kind of a little bit nervous. Kate's not sweating, sitting there Kate's not sweating, sitting there Kate's not sweating, sitting there completely comfortable. Brian's over completely comfortable. Brian's over completely comfortable. Brian's over here like sort of like shivering, here like sort of like shivering, here like sort of like shivering, sweating. sweating. sweating. Yeah, I think I made the time go much Yeah, I think I made the time go much Yeah, I think I made the time go much quicker for Brian because it was like quicker for Brian because it was like quicker for Brian because it was like someone else there to distract him in someone else there to distract him in someone else there to distract him in the 20 minute sprint. Hi everybody. the 20 minute sprint. Hi everybody. the 20 minute sprint. Hi everybody. Welcome to the Don't Die Podcast with Welcome to the Don't Die Podcast with Welcome to the Don't Die Podcast with Brian Johnson. Today we're talking about Brian Johnson. Today we're talking about Brian Johnson. Today we're talking about sauna and how all you have to do is step

01:00sauna and how all you have to do is step sauna and how all you have to do is step into this little box, get all hot and into this little box, get all hot and into this little box, get all hot and sweaty, and magical things happen to sweaty, and magical things happen to sweaty, and magical things happen to your body. But there are things you want your body. But there are things you want your body. But there are things you want to be aware of before you start your to be aware of before you start your to be aware of before you start your sauna protocol. So hang out with us sauna protocol. So hang out with us sauna protocol. So hang out with us today. We're looking forward to it. Brian, it looks like you're in a cave. Brian, it looks like you're in a cave. Looks very dark through there. It does, Looks very dark through there. It does, Looks very dark through there. It does, huh? Yeah. This is why people think huh? Yeah. This is why people think huh? Yeah. This is why people think you're a vampire. I feel like we should you're a vampire. I feel like we should you're a vampire. I feel like we should all be in a sauna, not not in our all be in a sauna, not not in our all be in a sauna, not not in our regular setup. I agree with you. Just be regular setup. I agree with you. Just be regular setup. I agree with you. Just be chilling in the sauna or I maybe that's chilling in the sauna or I maybe that's chilling in the sauna or I maybe that's the wrong terminology. Baking basking. the wrong terminology. Baking basking. the wrong terminology. Baking basking. Yeah. Yeah. Or to be sweating in the Yeah. Yeah. Or to be sweating in the Yeah. Yeah. Or to be sweating in the sauna. We should have set it up, you sauna. We should have set it up, you sauna. We should have set it up, you know. But I did the Kate did the sauna know. But I did the Kate did the sauna know. But I did the Kate did the sauna with me this week and we were assessing with me this week and we were assessing with me this week and we were assessing her sweat capacity because I measured her sweat capacity because I measured her sweat capacity because I measured mine and she didn't sweat at all. And mine and she didn't sweat at all. And mine and she didn't sweat at all. And this is 200° Fahrenheit sauna. So very this is 200° Fahrenheit sauna. So very this is 200° Fahrenheit sauna. So very hot for how long? Like 20 minutes. 20 hot for how long? Like 20 minutes. 20 hot for how long? Like 20 minutes. 20 minutes. You didn't sweat at all. Yeah. minutes. You didn't sweat at all. Yeah. minutes. You didn't sweat at all. Yeah. And so now we wonder, is there something

02:00And so now we wonder, is there something And so now we wonder, is there something wrong with me? Mike, broken sweat wrong with me? Mike, broken sweat wrong with me? Mike, broken sweat glands. Sweat. There are people who glands. Sweat. There are people who glands. Sweat. There are people who don't sweat. That's the thing. Um I'm don't sweat. That's the thing. Um I'm don't sweat. That's the thing. Um I'm not one of them, unfortunately. You not one of them, unfortunately. You not one of them, unfortunately. You know, I I did correct for this because I know, I I did correct for this because I know, I I did correct for this because I got into the sauna today. Today I had a got into the sauna today. Today I had a got into the sauna today. Today I had a my morning I had the blood draw this my morning I had the blood draw this my morning I had the blood draw this morning and so I didn't get in my morning and so I didn't get in my morning and so I didn't get in my morning workout but I did the sauna morning workout but I did the sauna morning workout but I did the sauna session and so I got into the sauna session and so I got into the sauna session and so I got into the sauna without having worked out and my body without having worked out and my body without having worked out and my body temperature was normal and my sweat temperature was normal and my sweat temperature was normal and my sweat profile was similar to what Kate had. profile was similar to what Kate had. profile was similar to what Kate had. And so it was I think the results of the And so it was I think the results of the And so it was I think the results of the experiment were were wrong because I had experiment were were wrong because I had experiment were were wrong because I had just finished with a pretty robust just finished with a pretty robust just finished with a pretty robust workout. So I was already warmed up. I workout. So I was already warmed up. I workout. So I was already warmed up. I was already sweating and then I went was already sweating and then I went was already sweating and then I went straight into the sauna. So I don't straight into the sauna. So I don't straight into the sauna. So I don't think Yes. So, I don't think the results think Yes. So, I don't think the results think Yes. So, I don't think the results were as significant as we initially were as significant as we initially were as significant as we initially thought, but my results, but still like thought, but my results, but still like thought, but my results, but still like I having worked out and in the sauna, I I having worked out and in the sauna, I I having worked out and in the sauna, I was sweating 18 ounces of fluid every was sweating 18 ounces of fluid every was sweating 18 ounces of fluid every for that for that duration of time. And for that for that duration of time. And for that for that duration of time. And then uh Kate Yeah. I mean, you barely then uh Kate Yeah. I mean, you barely then uh Kate Yeah. I mean, you barely broke a sweat. Yeah. So, what Brian's

03:00broke a sweat. Yeah. So, what Brian's broke a sweat. Yeah. So, what Brian's telling us is about this like this patch telling us is about this like this patch telling us is about this like this patch that you put on your arm that actually that you put on your arm that actually that you put on your arm that actually measures like the speed at which you you measures like the speed at which you you measures like the speed at which you you sweat and then also measures the salt sweat and then also measures the salt sweat and then also measures the salt content of your sweat, which can be content of your sweat, which can be content of your sweat, which can be super helpful if you're, you know, super helpful if you're, you know, super helpful if you're, you know, implementing a 7-day sauna protocol out implementing a 7-day sauna protocol out implementing a 7-day sauna protocol out of nowhere and then all of a sudden of nowhere and then all of a sudden of nowhere and then all of a sudden sweating a bunch and having to replace a sweating a bunch and having to replace a sweating a bunch and having to replace a lot of electrolytes. Yeah. So, today lot of electrolytes. Yeah. So, today lot of electrolytes. Yeah. So, today we're going to be talking about sauna we're going to be talking about sauna we're going to be talking about sauna top to bottom. And Brian, you've just top to bottom. And Brian, you've just top to bottom. And Brian, you've just started a new sauna protocol. So we can started a new sauna protocol. So we can started a new sauna protocol. So we can talk about early results maybe that talk about early results maybe that talk about early results maybe that you've been experiencing or how the you've been experiencing or how the you've been experiencing or how the experience has been. We're still in the experience has been. We're still in the experience has been. We're still in the midst of it. So we'll we'll be updating midst of it. So we'll we'll be updating midst of it. So we'll we'll be updating everyone later on. But let's cover the everyone later on. But let's cover the everyone later on. But let's cover the what the literature says. Let's cover a what the literature says. Let's cover a what the literature says. Let's cover a couple of things that people need to couple of things that people need to couple of things that people need to know in terms of how to get a sauna, know in terms of how to get a sauna, know in terms of how to get a sauna, what optimal sauna is, dry, wet, steam what optimal sauna is, dry, wet, steam what optimal sauna is, dry, wet, steam sauna. Um so yeah, what did you guys sauna. Um so yeah, what did you guys sauna. Um so yeah, what did you guys discover when you looked at all the discover when you looked at all the discover when you looked at all the literature? This is something that's literature? This is something that's literature? This is something that's accessible in a lot of places. Gyms accessible in a lot of places. Gyms accessible in a lot of places. Gyms particularly have sauners. So yeah, what particularly have sauners. So yeah, what particularly have sauners. So yeah, what what do we discover? Is sauna good? what do we discover? Is sauna good? what do we discover? Is sauna good? Mike, that's for you. Give us the Mike, that's for you. Give us the Mike, that's for you. Give us the rundown. I didn't know if Brian wanted rundown. I didn't know if Brian wanted rundown. I didn't know if Brian wanted to start that one or not. I'll do it.

04:00to start that one or not. I'll do it. to start that one or not. I'll do it. Yeah, I'm on it. I I love Sauna. Sauna Yeah, I'm on it. I I love Sauna. Sauna Yeah, I'm on it. I I love Sauna. Sauna is like I feel like as soon as I started is like I feel like as soon as I started is like I feel like as soon as I started working with Brian, I was like, why working with Brian, I was like, why working with Brian, I was like, why aren't we doing sauna? Like it was like aren't we doing sauna? Like it was like aren't we doing sauna? Like it was like just like it's so ingrained in me at just like it's so ingrained in me at just like it's so ingrained in me at this point because the literature for this point because the literature for this point because the literature for sauna is pretty impeccable in terms of sauna is pretty impeccable in terms of sauna is pretty impeccable in terms of the impact it can have on chronic the impact it can have on chronic the impact it can have on chronic disease and on longevity. So like we're disease and on longevity. So like we're disease and on longevity. So like we're talking about you know on average around talking about you know on average around talking about you know on average around 50 to 70% reduction in cardiovascular 50 to 70% reduction in cardiovascular 50 to 70% reduction in cardiovascular disease reduction in dementia and then disease reduction in dementia and then disease reduction in dementia and then about a 40% reduction in uh in overall about a 40% reduction in uh in overall about a 40% reduction in uh in overall mortality and these are from some really mortality and these are from some really mortality and these are from some really robust studies um that have mostly come robust studies um that have mostly come robust studies um that have mostly come out of Finland uh which is where SA is out of Finland uh which is where SA is out of Finland uh which is where SA is very very popular so it makes sense that very very popular so it makes sense that very very popular so it makes sense that they're performing these studies but you they're performing these studies but you they're performing these studies but you know 2000 3000 you know thousands of know 2000 3000 you know thousands of know 2000 3000 you know thousands of people in these studies tracked over people in these studies tracked over people in these studies tracked over years really large impacts so the you years really large impacts so the you years really large impacts so the you know for really relatively low effort know for really relatively low effort know for really relatively low effort all you got do is go sit in a warm box all you got do is go sit in a warm box all you got do is go sit in a warm box for 20 minutes, you know, anywhere for 20 minutes, you know, anywhere for 20 minutes, you know, anywhere between four and seven times a week and between four and seven times a week and between four and seven times a week and get these huge impacts is pretty cool. get these huge impacts is pretty cool. get these huge impacts is pretty cool. Yeah, that's actually true, Mike. Most Yeah, that's actually true, Mike. Most Yeah, that's actually true, Mike. Most things that are good for you require a

05:00things that are good for you require a things that are good for you require a lot of hard work. You they require you lot of hard work. You they require you lot of hard work. You they require you to to endure quite a bit of pain. And to to endure quite a bit of pain. And to to endure quite a bit of pain. And this is probably the the closest one to this is probably the the closest one to this is probably the the closest one to a magic pill. a magic pill. a magic pill. Sit here, sweat, and maybe feel slightly Sit here, sweat, and maybe feel slightly Sit here, sweat, and maybe feel slightly uncomfortable, but otherwise it it can uncomfortable, but otherwise it it can uncomfortable, but otherwise it it can be pretty soothing depending upon what be pretty soothing depending upon what be pretty soothing depending upon what temperature you're at. But you're right. temperature you're at. But you're right. temperature you're at. But you're right. I hadn't thought about that, but it's I hadn't thought about that, but it's I hadn't thought about that, but it's probably the easiest one of the easier probably the easiest one of the easier probably the easiest one of the easier entry points for health. It's certainly entry points for health. It's certainly entry points for health. It's certainly easier than going and doing like a easier than going and doing like a easier than going and doing like a 45minute long V2 workout, right? I mean, 45minute long V2 workout, right? I mean, 45minute long V2 workout, right? I mean, like big big difference. I mean, big like big big difference. I mean, big like big big difference. I mean, big difference. But you did comment could be difference. But you did comment could be difference. But you did comment could be a little uncomfortable. Sauna's pretty a little uncomfortable. Sauna's pretty a little uncomfortable. Sauna's pretty uncomfortable when you get to 200 uncomfortable when you get to 200 uncomfortable when you get to 200 degrees, right? I mean, like it's not degrees, right? I mean, like it's not degrees, right? I mean, like it's not it's not a walk in the park. Yeah. it's not a walk in the park. Yeah. it's not a walk in the park. Yeah. Actually, I I was really surprised. Uh Actually, I I was really surprised. Uh Actually, I I was really surprised. Uh 200. So, I had been in a sauna. I had a 200. So, I had been in a sauna. I had a 200. So, I had been in a sauna. I had a sauna years ago that I occasionally did sauna years ago that I occasionally did sauna years ago that I occasionally did it and I believe I was at 130 to 140 it and I believe I was at 130 to 140 it and I believe I was at 130 to 140 Fahrenheit and I don't recall how I Fahrenheit and I don't recall how I Fahrenheit and I don't recall how I arrived at that number but yeah when we arrived at that number but yeah when we arrived at that number but yeah when we looked at the evidence I think it said looked at the evidence I think it said looked at the evidence I think it said that the the range for the clinical that the the range for the clinical that the the range for the clinical benefits were between 180 degrees

06:00benefits were between 180 degrees benefits were between 180 degrees Fahrenheit and 212. So we chose 200 and Fahrenheit and 212. So we chose 200 and Fahrenheit and 212. So we chose 200 and yeah I mean it it is hot in fact when yeah I mean it it is hot in fact when yeah I mean it it is hot in fact when you're in the sauna if you don't do you're in the sauna if you don't do you're in the sauna if you don't do controlled breathing. So I I do this controlled breathing. So I I do this controlled breathing. So I I do this meditative practice in the sauna and if meditative practice in the sauna and if meditative practice in the sauna and if you breathe more than a normal pace the you breathe more than a normal pace the you breathe more than a normal pace the nose it lights your nose on fire. Like nose it lights your nose on fire. Like nose it lights your nose on fire. Like if you just move air a little bit faster if you just move air a little bit faster if you just move air a little bit faster and by the end you by minute like 16 17 and by the end you by minute like 16 17 and by the end you by minute like 16 17 you're like can I do this? I mean it you're like can I do this? I mean it you're like can I do this? I mean it gets to be pretty tough. Panic. Yeah. I gets to be pretty tough. Panic. Yeah. I gets to be pretty tough. Panic. Yeah. I mean so that that was definitely the mean so that that was definitely the mean so that that was definitely the case. I'm now 18 sessions in and my body case. I'm now 18 sessions in and my body case. I'm now 18 sessions in and my body has definitely adjusted. It took me at has definitely adjusted. It took me at has definitely adjusted. It took me at least two weeks, like 14 sessions to least two weeks, like 14 sessions to least two weeks, like 14 sessions to just begin to be acclimated. But yeah, just begin to be acclimated. But yeah, just begin to be acclimated. But yeah, it is 200 degrees is hot and especially it is 200 degrees is hot and especially it is 200 degrees is hot and especially I do it right after a workout. So I'm I do it right after a workout. So I'm I do it right after a workout. So I'm already really hot. So I think the already really hot. So I think the already really hot. So I think the combination that's why it was so combination that's why it was so combination that's why it was so difficult for my body to begin that difficult for my body to begin that difficult for my body to begin that process. Mike, do we know how it works? process. Mike, do we know how it works? process. Mike, do we know how it works? Like is this about sweating from the Like is this about sweating from the Like is this about sweating from the body or is this some other sort of body or is this some other sort of body or is this some other sort of mechanism going on? I mean, so sweat is

07:00mechanism going on? I mean, so sweat is mechanism going on? I mean, so sweat is part of it. Um the sweat is going to part of it. Um the sweat is going to part of it. Um the sweat is going to play in when it comes to uh this idea of play in when it comes to uh this idea of play in when it comes to uh this idea of detoxifying your body. Um and the idea detoxifying your body. Um and the idea detoxifying your body. Um and the idea is basically you're sweating out some of is basically you're sweating out some of is basically you're sweating out some of these toxins, but the predominant these toxins, but the predominant these toxins, but the predominant mechanism that we're seeing here is mechanism that we're seeing here is mechanism that we're seeing here is actually from the heat itself. And the actually from the heat itself. And the actually from the heat itself. And the heat is causing different chemical heat is causing different chemical heat is causing different chemical changes in your body. So you're changes in your body. So you're changes in your body. So you're increasing nitrous nitrous oxide increasing nitrous nitrous oxide increasing nitrous nitrous oxide production in your vessels, which is production in your vessels, which is production in your vessels, which is forcing your blood vessels to dilate. So forcing your blood vessels to dilate. So forcing your blood vessels to dilate. So you're getting like it's almost like you're getting like it's almost like you're getting like it's almost like working out your blood vessels. they're working out your blood vessels. they're working out your blood vessels. they're they're um they're dilating. They're they're um they're dilating. They're they're um they're dilating. They're contracting back when you get out of the contracting back when you get out of the contracting back when you get out of the sauna. You're getting sort of this this sauna. You're getting sort of this this sauna. You're getting sort of this this work out of your blood vessels which work out of your blood vessels which work out of your blood vessels which helps reduce blood pressure. So over the helps reduce blood pressure. So over the helps reduce blood pressure. So over the long term we see a reduction in blood long term we see a reduction in blood long term we see a reduction in blood pressure. You also see a heart rate pressure. You also see a heart rate pressure. You also see a heart rate increase. So it's like doing zone one, increase. So it's like doing zone one, increase. So it's like doing zone one, sometimes zone two depending on what sometimes zone two depending on what sometimes zone two depending on what your tolerance is type of activity. So your tolerance is type of activity. So your tolerance is type of activity. So it's what we call an exercise mimic. So it's what we call an exercise mimic. So it's what we call an exercise mimic. So it mimics exercise while you're sitting it mimics exercise while you're sitting it mimics exercise while you're sitting there just being hot. And then there's there just being hot. And then there's there just being hot. And then there's other things that are happening too. So other things that are happening too. So other things that are happening too. So when you when you're sick, your body when you when you're sick, your body when you when you're sick, your body creates a fever, right? The one of the

08:00creates a fever, right? The one of the creates a fever, right? The one of the things that fever does is it activates things that fever does is it activates things that fever does is it activates these these chemicals called heat shock these these chemicals called heat shock these these chemicals called heat shock proteins. And heat shock proteins um are proteins. And heat shock proteins um are proteins. And heat shock proteins um are called these chaperones of proteins, called these chaperones of proteins, called these chaperones of proteins, which means they kind of usher proteins which means they kind of usher proteins which means they kind of usher proteins around and help them move around your around and help them move around your around and help them move around your body. And they also help um fix any body. And they also help um fix any body. And they also help um fix any misfolding of those proteins. So when misfolding of those proteins. So when misfolding of those proteins. So when when you're sick, you know, some of your when you're sick, you know, some of your when you're sick, you know, some of your proteins get messed up. Um your heat proteins get messed up. Um your heat proteins get messed up. Um your heat shock proteins come around, they refold shock proteins come around, they refold shock proteins come around, they refold those proteins for you. They help them those proteins for you. They help them those proteins for you. They help them help them work better basically. So help them work better basically. So help them work better basically. So these heat shock proteins have lots of these heat shock proteins have lots of these heat shock proteins have lots of benefits and sauna is a nice way to benefits and sauna is a nice way to benefits and sauna is a nice way to activate them without actually having to activate them without actually having to activate them without actually having to have a fever. So you go sit sauna for 20 have a fever. So you go sit sauna for 20 have a fever. So you go sit sauna for 20 minutes activates all your heat shock minutes activates all your heat shock minutes activates all your heat shock proteins you leave the sauna your heat proteins you leave the sauna your heat proteins you leave the sauna your heat shock proteins are still elevated. So shock proteins are still elevated. So shock proteins are still elevated. So we're seeing a similar sort of like we're seeing a similar sort of like we're seeing a similar sort of like hormetic response that we saw with HBOT hormetic response that we saw with HBOT hormetic response that we saw with HBOT hyperbaric oxygen therapy where we had hyperbaric oxygen therapy where we had hyperbaric oxygen therapy where we had this like negative insult of hyper this like negative insult of hyper this like negative insult of hyper oxygenation right similar sort of thing oxygenation right similar sort of thing oxygenation right similar sort of thing where now we remove the negative insult where now we remove the negative insult where now we remove the negative insult but we're getting the continued benefit but we're getting the continued benefit but we're getting the continued benefit that it's created in the body over hours that it's created in the body over hours that it's created in the body over hours to a day after the sauna session. Yeah, to a day after the sauna session. Yeah, to a day after the sauna session. Yeah, those those heat shock pro proteins we those those heat shock pro proteins we those those heat shock pro proteins we were looking at measuring those. It was

09:00were looking at measuring those. It was were looking at measuring those. It was too hard for us to do it logistically, too hard for us to do it logistically, too hard for us to do it logistically, but uh some of the evidence points to but uh some of the evidence points to but uh some of the evidence points to heat shock protein 70 and 72 can heat shock protein 70 and 72 can heat shock protein 70 and 72 can experience a two to sixfold increase in experience a two to sixfold increase in experience a two to sixfold increase in circulating levels within 30 to 60 circulating levels within 30 to 60 circulating levels within 30 to 60 minutes. And so they've got um a pretty minutes. And so they've got um a pretty minutes. And so they've got um a pretty short half-life some of these, but yeah, short half-life some of these, but yeah, short half-life some of these, but yeah, you you get these really big spikes uh you you get these really big spikes uh you you get these really big spikes uh post use, which makes sense when you do post use, which makes sense when you do post use, which makes sense when you do it repeatedly on a weekly basis. it repeatedly on a weekly basis. it repeatedly on a weekly basis. There's also some um hor hormone effects There's also some um hor hormone effects There's also some um hor hormone effects too. So you see growth hormone increase too. So you see growth hormone increase too. So you see growth hormone increase with sauna use. You see cortisol with sauna use. You see cortisol with sauna use. You see cortisol reduction um and you can see reduction reduction um and you can see reduction reduction um and you can see reduction inflammation. So CRP has been shown to inflammation. So CRP has been shown to inflammation. So CRP has been shown to go down with with sauna as well. So go down with with sauna as well. So go down with with sauna as well. So probably not as strong as Hbot, but probably not as strong as Hbot, but probably not as strong as Hbot, but still a a market like 30% reduction in still a a market like 30% reduction in still a a market like 30% reduction in CRP from sauna use, which is pretty CRP from sauna use, which is pretty CRP from sauna use, which is pretty cool. So Mike, we we did a big blood cool. So Mike, we we did a big blood cool. So Mike, we we did a big blood draw this morning. Do you think that uh draw this morning. Do you think that uh draw this morning. Do you think that uh after I guess 18 sessions we would after I guess 18 sessions we would after I guess 18 sessions we would expect any changes in my in my blood expect any changes in my in my blood expect any changes in my in my blood markers? Uh I I doubt it. I doubt it. Um markers? Uh I I doubt it. I doubt it. Um markers? Uh I I doubt it. I doubt it. Um because your blood markers are so like

10:00because your blood markers are so like because your blood markers are so like optimized already. I think if we were optimized already. I think if we were optimized already. I think if we were starting from a different position, like starting from a different position, like starting from a different position, like if we took evening Brian and put Evening if we took evening Brian and put Evening if we took evening Brian and put Evening Brian in the sauna every evening, maybe Brian in the sauna every evening, maybe Brian in the sauna every evening, maybe we would see some changes. Um, but given we would see some changes. Um, but given we would see some changes. Um, but given where you're currently at right now, I where you're currently at right now, I where you're currently at right now, I think it's gonna be hard to measure think it's gonna be hard to measure think it's gonna be hard to measure anything remarkable on the actual blood anything remarkable on the actual blood anything remarkable on the actual blood tests themselves. I think if we were tests themselves. I think if we were tests themselves. I think if we were measuring heat check proteins, we would measuring heat check proteins, we would measuring heat check proteins, we would see something, but that's too hard to see something, but that's too hard to see something, but that's too hard to do. Um, and I do think it sounds like do. Um, and I do think it sounds like do. Um, and I do think it sounds like we're seeing something on your actual we're seeing something on your actual we're seeing something on your actual blood pressure as well. So, um, yeah, blood pressure as well. So, um, yeah, blood pressure as well. So, um, yeah, we're seeing changes challenging to we're seeing changes challenging to we're seeing changes challenging to measure when it comes or challenging to measure when it comes or challenging to measure when it comes or challenging to measure when it comes like CRP or some measure when it comes like CRP or some measure when it comes like CRP or some of your hormones which are already of your hormones which are already of your hormones which are already pre-optimized. Mhm. I mean, one thing I pre-optimized. Mhm. I mean, one thing I pre-optimized. Mhm. I mean, one thing I did notice is at the blood draw this did notice is at the blood draw this did notice is at the blood draw this morning, my my blood flow, we the uh morning, my my blood flow, we the uh morning, my my blood flow, we the uh phabotamist used a 23 gauge needle, phabotamist used a 23 gauge needle, phabotamist used a 23 gauge needle, which is, you know, smaller than the which is, you know, smaller than the which is, you know, smaller than the typical 21 they use for these kind of typical 21 they use for these kind of typical 21 they use for these kind of draws and my blood just came like draws and my blood just came like draws and my blood just came like spurting out. And this was also true. I spurting out. And this was also true. I spurting out. And this was also true. I did another blood draw earlier this week did another blood draw earlier this week did another blood draw earlier this week and same thing like I think more at a and same thing like I think more at a and same thing like I think more at a higher velocity than I think I've seen

11:00higher velocity than I think I've seen higher velocity than I think I've seen my blood come out in a long time. Do you my blood come out in a long time. Do you my blood come out in a long time. Do you think that has anything to do with think that has anything to do with think that has anything to do with Sauna? I don't know. I I mean it's Sauna? I don't know. I I mean it's Sauna? I don't know. I I mean it's possible. I mean we have seen some possible. I mean we have seen some possible. I mean we have seen some changes in your your pul pulse wave changes in your your pul pulse wave changes in your your pul pulse wave velocity, your augmentation index, all velocity, your augmentation index, all velocity, your augmentation index, all those things in your in your blood those things in your in your blood those things in your in your blood pressure. You have seen a slight drop in pressure. You have seen a slight drop in pressure. You have seen a slight drop in your blood pressure. So maybe I I guess your blood pressure. So maybe I I guess your blood pressure. So maybe I I guess it's it's certainly possible. I what I'm it's it's certainly possible. I what I'm it's it's certainly possible. I what I'm super interested in seeing actually is super interested in seeing actually is super interested in seeing actually is um some of the toxin levels because we um some of the toxin levels because we um some of the toxin levels because we do know that there is an increased um do know that there is an increased um do know that there is an increased um excretion of some of the heavy metals excretion of some of the heavy metals excretion of some of the heavy metals and then also um like uh POS and some of and then also um like uh POS and some of and then also um like uh POS and some of the fats soluble um toxins and sweat. So the fats soluble um toxins and sweat. So the fats soluble um toxins and sweat. So the increased sweating you're already the increased sweating you're already the increased sweating you're already sweating a good bit with exercise but sweating a good bit with exercise but sweating a good bit with exercise but marketkedly more with sauna right I mean marketkedly more with sauna right I mean marketkedly more with sauna right I mean you're having to you're having to you're having to you're having to you're having to you're having to hydrate more I know so we expect to see hydrate more I know so we expect to see hydrate more I know so we expect to see an increased excretion of um of some of an increased excretion of um of some of an increased excretion of um of some of those toxins. Yes. So, I guess maybe to those toxins. Yes. So, I guess maybe to those toxins. Yes. So, I guess maybe to back up, we jumped right into the back up, we jumped right into the back up, we jumped right into the details. So, yes. Okay, everyone, we details. So, yes. Okay, everyone, we details. So, yes. Okay, everyone, we started a brand new longevity protocol. started a brand new longevity protocol. started a brand new longevity protocol. This is the the follow-up. We just This is the the follow-up. We just This is the the follow-up. We just completed hyperbaric oxygen therapy and completed hyperbaric oxygen therapy and completed hyperbaric oxygen therapy and we published those results and the data

12:00we published those results and the data we published those results and the data we got from that was it was potentially we got from that was it was potentially we got from that was it was potentially the most efficacious therapy we have the most efficacious therapy we have the most efficacious therapy we have ever done in terms of whole body ever done in terms of whole body ever done in terms of whole body rejuvenation. Just from head to toe, rejuvenation. Just from head to toe, rejuvenation. Just from head to toe, there was something interesting there was something interesting there was something interesting throughout the entire body. And so, throughout the entire body. And so, throughout the entire body. And so, we've now set our sights on sauna. And we've now set our sights on sauna. And we've now set our sights on sauna. And so as Mike was saying that the evidence so as Mike was saying that the evidence so as Mike was saying that the evidence around sonnet is really good. Uh there's around sonnet is really good. Uh there's around sonnet is really good. Uh there's been some limitations in that most the been some limitations in that most the been some limitations in that most the evidence is observational and not evidence is observational and not evidence is observational and not interventional where you you set up a interventional where you you set up a interventional where you you set up a clinical trial but still it's very clinical trial but still it's very clinical trial but still it's very compelling. And so we completed a as we compelling. And so we completed a as we compelling. And so we completed a as we do with all things we completed a pretty do with all things we completed a pretty do with all things we completed a pretty robust baseline measurement. Okay. For robust baseline measurement. Okay. For robust baseline measurement. Okay. For for baseline measurements we did we did for baseline measurements we did we did for baseline measurements we did we did a full blood panel. So that's over a a full blood panel. So that's over a a full blood panel. So that's over a hundred different markers and they're hundred different markers and they're hundred different markers and they're the things you would expect like uh the things you would expect like uh the things you would expect like uh cholesterol, inflammation, testosterone, cholesterol, inflammation, testosterone, cholesterol, inflammation, testosterone, you know, things like that. We also did you know, things like that. We also did you know, things like that. We also did a few vascular health markers uh a few vascular health markers uh a few vascular health markers uh including SDMA, ADMA, and F2. We also including SDMA, ADMA, and F2. We also including SDMA, ADMA, and F2. We also got a central blood pressure device. So got a central blood pressure device. So got a central blood pressure device. So this is like you're getting your blood this is like you're getting your blood this is like you're getting your blood pressure done at the doctor. They put

13:00pressure done at the doctor. They put pressure done at the doctor. They put the cuff, but this one does central the cuff, but this one does central the cuff, but this one does central blood pressure. It's looking at the blood pressure. It's looking at the blood pressure. It's looking at the following things. It's looking at following things. It's looking at following things. It's looking at central systolic blood pressure, uh, central systolic blood pressure, uh, central systolic blood pressure, uh, central pulse pressure, augmentation central pulse pressure, augmentation central pulse pressure, augmentation pressure, and then something called SVR. pressure, and then something called SVR. pressure, and then something called SVR. And so I've been doing that on a regular And so I've been doing that on a regular And so I've been doing that on a regular basis, measuring myself in the morning. basis, measuring myself in the morning. basis, measuring myself in the morning. And, uh, that gave us a nice baseline. And, uh, that gave us a nice baseline. And, uh, that gave us a nice baseline. Actually, we can go over those as as Actually, we can go over those as as Actually, we can go over those as as baseline measurements. So, we have here baseline measurements. So, we have here baseline measurements. So, we have here the measurement from baseline and then the measurement from baseline and then the measurement from baseline and then we have a measurement with seven we have a measurement with seven we have a measurement with seven sessions. And you see for example in sessions. And you see for example in sessions. And you see for example in central blood pressure there was a s central blood pressure there was a s central blood pressure there was a s almost a 6% improvement. I started at almost a 6% improvement. I started at almost a 6% improvement. I started at 103 and after seven sessions was down to 103 and after seven sessions was down to 103 and after seven sessions was down to 97. Uh central pulse pressure went down 97. Uh central pulse pressure went down 97. Uh central pulse pressure went down from 28 to 22 a 21% improvement. And from 28 to 22 a 21% improvement. And from 28 to 22 a 21% improvement. And then you see the other ones like the then you see the other ones like the then you see the other ones like the augmentation pressure augmentation augmentation pressure augmentation augmentation pressure augmentation index. Mike what's your take on after index. Mike what's your take on after index. Mike what's your take on after seven sessions some pretty meaningful seven sessions some pretty meaningful seven sessions some pretty meaningful changes in vascular health. Pretty changes in vascular health. Pretty changes in vascular health. Pretty impressive. I mean like this is what

14:00impressive. I mean like this is what impressive. I mean like this is what we've seen in a lot of the studies we've seen in a lot of the studies we've seen in a lot of the studies although all the studies were much although all the studies were much although all the studies were much longer duration. You know they were longer duration. You know they were longer duration. You know they were weeks to months of observational data weeks to months of observational data weeks to months of observational data sometimes even years. So we saw pretty sometimes even years. So we saw pretty sometimes even years. So we saw pretty remarkable changes in blood pressure. remarkable changes in blood pressure. remarkable changes in blood pressure. But the the fact that we saw this after But the the fact that we saw this after But the the fact that we saw this after seven sessions is like is pretty awesome seven sessions is like is pretty awesome seven sessions is like is pretty awesome actually because it really suggests that actually because it really suggests that actually because it really suggests that the the actual like dose happens the the actual like dose happens the the actual like dose happens relatively quickly. So, you know, while relatively quickly. So, you know, while relatively quickly. So, you know, while it might take longer for someone who's it might take longer for someone who's it might take longer for someone who's coming from a place of hypertension to coming from a place of hypertension to coming from a place of hypertension to get to a place of normal blood pressure, get to a place of normal blood pressure, get to a place of normal blood pressure, like the fact that there's actually a like the fact that there's actually a like the fact that there's actually a response this quickly is really response this quickly is really response this quickly is really encouraging for the idea of sauna being encouraging for the idea of sauna being encouraging for the idea of sauna being a relatively quick treatment for a relatively quick treatment for a relatively quick treatment for elevated blood pressures. Yeah. And to elevated blood pressures. Yeah. And to elevated blood pressures. Yeah. And to give context on what these things mean, give context on what these things mean, give context on what these things mean, for example, like when when the central for example, like when when the central for example, like when when the central systolic blood pressure comes down from systolic blood pressure comes down from systolic blood pressure comes down from 103 to 97, it means that there's 5.83% 103 to 97, it means that there's 5.83% 103 to 97, it means that there's 5.83% 83% less pressure um around my heart and 83% less pressure um around my heart and 83% less pressure um around my heart and my brain and other organs throughout my my brain and other organs throughout my my brain and other organs throughout my body. Uh when my central pulse pressure body. Uh when my central pulse pressure body. Uh when my central pulse pressure drops from 28 to 22, it's a 21%

15:00drops from 28 to 22, it's a 21% drops from 28 to 22, it's a 21% uh increase in the flexible aorta. So uh increase in the flexible aorta. So uh increase in the flexible aorta. So it's less load on my heart. And then the it's less load on my heart. And then the it's less load on my heart. And then the augmentation pressure change from 2:1 augmentation pressure change from 2:1 augmentation pressure change from 2:1 indicates decrease in arterial indicates decrease in arterial indicates decrease in arterial stiffness. So it's like uh increase in a stiffness. So it's like uh increase in a stiffness. So it's like uh increase in a aortic compliance. And so like these are aortic compliance. And so like these are aortic compliance. And so like these are really big numbers. I mean like if if really big numbers. I mean like if if really big numbers. I mean like if if I'm a heart and I'm going about my daily I'm a heart and I'm going about my daily I'm a heart and I'm going about my daily activities and all of a sudden my life activities and all of a sudden my life activities and all of a sudden my life gets you know five to 20% better that's gets you know five to 20% better that's gets you know five to 20% better that's a really big difference on my daily a really big difference on my daily a really big difference on my daily activity uh being a heart. So I mean I activity uh being a heart. So I mean I activity uh being a heart. So I mean I wonder if these will sustain or I wonder wonder if these will sustain or I wonder wonder if these will sustain or I wonder you know over various measurements how you know over various measurements how you know over various measurements how much we'll see how much variance we'll much we'll see how much variance we'll much we'll see how much variance we'll see within the measurement but yeah see within the measurement but yeah see within the measurement but yeah pretty significant. Yeah I wonder if we pretty significant. Yeah I wonder if we pretty significant. Yeah I wonder if we end up just seeing consistency with it end up just seeing consistency with it end up just seeing consistency with it after this point. So, we've seen our after this point. So, we've seen our after this point. So, we've seen our initial drop and now it's just a matter initial drop and now it's just a matter initial drop and now it's just a matter of continuing that regular dose of sauna of continuing that regular dose of sauna of continuing that regular dose of sauna in order to keep the the blood pressure in order to keep the the blood pressure in order to keep the the blood pressure metrics about the same because I mean metrics about the same because I mean metrics about the same because I mean really we wouldn't expect much more really we wouldn't expect much more really we wouldn't expect much more improvement. There's not much more improvement. There's not much more improvement. There's not much more improving you can do really, right improving you can do really, right improving you can do really, right Brian? Like you don't want your blood Brian? Like you don't want your blood Brian? Like you don't want your blood pressure much lower, right? Like it's pressure much lower, right? Like it's pressure much lower, right? Like it's already relatively ideal. So, um yeah,

16:00already relatively ideal. So, um yeah, already relatively ideal. So, um yeah, it'd be surprised if we see much more it'd be surprised if we see much more it'd be surprised if we see much more improvement rather than just improvement rather than just improvement rather than just continuation. Yeah. And also for continuation. Yeah. And also for continuation. Yeah. And also for context, my my baseline markers on context, my my baseline markers on context, my my baseline markers on vascular health with the data, it was I vascular health with the data, it was I vascular health with the data, it was I think think think roughly roughly roughly um mid to late 20s, I think was the um mid to late 20s, I think was the um mid to late 20s, I think was the biological age estimates. Yeah, it was biological age estimates. Yeah, it was biological age estimates. Yeah, it was actually 29 years old was the composite actually 29 years old was the composite actually 29 years old was the composite score for the various vascular age. I score for the various vascular age. I score for the various vascular age. I think with this drop, it's down to like think with this drop, it's down to like think with this drop, it's down to like early 20s as a vascular. So yeah, early 20s as a vascular. So yeah, early 20s as a vascular. So yeah, there's not much more room for me to go. there's not much more room for me to go. there's not much more room for me to go. You're right. I'm not coming at this You're right. I'm not coming at this You're right. I'm not coming at this from a really bad position. So yeah, but from a really bad position. So yeah, but from a really bad position. So yeah, but there are some areas that we might see there are some areas that we might see there are some areas that we might see some changes like the so in the the some changes like the so in the the some changes like the so in the the basic blood panel that you did all the basic blood panel that you did all the basic blood panel that you did all the markers that we normally check your your markers that we normally check your your markers that we normally check your your inflammation markers were all really inflammation markers were all really inflammation markers were all really low. I doubt we're going to see much low. I doubt we're going to see much low. I doubt we're going to see much change there but one area we might see change there but one area we might see change there but one area we might see some change is around mitochondrial some change is around mitochondrial some change is around mitochondrial function. So sauna has been shown to function. So sauna has been shown to function. So sauna has been shown to increase mitochondrial bio biogenesis increase mitochondrial bio biogenesis increase mitochondrial bio biogenesis which increases the number of total which increases the number of total which increases the number of total mitochondria in each cell. So by mitochondria in each cell. So by mitochondria in each cell. So by tracking your your mitochondria we may tracking your your mitochondria we may tracking your your mitochondria we may see some changes there and we're doing

17:00see some changes there and we're doing see some changes there and we're doing mitochondrial tests. We're also doing mitochondrial tests. We're also doing mitochondrial tests. We're also doing moxy um before and after the sauna. So moxy um before and after the sauna. So moxy um before and after the sauna. So we'll see if there's a change in oxygen we'll see if there's a change in oxygen we'll see if there's a change in oxygen utilization within the muscle which utilization within the muscle which utilization within the muscle which would speak to mitochondrial function as would speak to mitochondrial function as would speak to mitochondrial function as well. Um and then we're doing a tox well. Um and then we're doing a tox well. Um and then we're doing a tox urine tox test before and after. So urine tox test before and after. So urine tox test before and after. So we'll see if there's any changes into we'll see if there's any changes into we'll see if there's any changes into any of those fats soluble vitamins. any of those fats soluble vitamins. any of those fats soluble vitamins. That'll be interesting. Is the toxicity That'll be interesting. Is the toxicity That'll be interesting. Is the toxicity report I know when we went to India and report I know when we went to India and report I know when we went to India and also the LA fires we experienced some also the LA fires we experienced some also the LA fires we experienced some toxins that came back in Europe. Is this toxins that came back in Europe. Is this toxins that came back in Europe. Is this something we'd be able to test as well? something we'd be able to test as well? something we'd be able to test as well? Is that what that text to toxin report Is that what that text to toxin report Is that what that text to toxin report will show us whether or not we'll be will show us whether or not we'll be will show us whether or not we'll be able to get um some of those toxins out able to get um some of those toxins out able to get um some of those toxins out of Brian's body? Yeah, we did a of Brian's body? Yeah, we did a of Brian's body? Yeah, we did a follow-up after the India and we uh we follow-up after the India and we uh we follow-up after the India and we uh we saw a drop. So, we've got a baseline now saw a drop. So, we've got a baseline now saw a drop. So, we've got a baseline now pre-Sauna that is more a standard pre-Sauna that is more a standard pre-Sauna that is more a standard Brian's NLA kind of you know toxic Brian's NLA kind of you know toxic Brian's NLA kind of you know toxic profile u same foods same air exposure profile u same foods same air exposure profile u same foods same air exposure uh and then we'll see how that changes uh and then we'll see how that changes uh and then we'll see how that changes after after sauna. Very interesting. I after after sauna. Very interesting. I after after sauna. Very interesting. I agree the the toxins will be interesting agree the the toxins will be interesting agree the the toxins will be interesting because uh we I guess like the toxin

18:00because uh we I guess like the toxin because uh we I guess like the toxin mitigation strategy we've had so far is mitigation strategy we've had so far is mitigation strategy we've had so far is when the body you know is in a good when the body you know is in a good when the body you know is in a good shape with low inflammation exercising shape with low inflammation exercising shape with low inflammation exercising eating good foods the body is optimized eating good foods the body is optimized eating good foods the body is optimized to remove toxins but we've not done to remove toxins but we've not done to remove toxins but we've not done anything specifically we did that anything specifically we did that anything specifically we did that therapeutic plasma exchange where we therapeutic plasma exchange where we therapeutic plasma exchange where we replaced all my plasma but we didn't replaced all my plasma but we didn't replaced all my plasma but we didn't really see much movement on toxins for really see much movement on toxins for really see much movement on toxins for that so this will be I think the first that so this will be I think the first that so this will be I think the first focus toxin removal protocol that we'll focus toxin removal protocol that we'll focus toxin removal protocol that we'll put to test. And then what is your put to test. And then what is your put to test. And then what is your protocol, Brian? So, you're day 18. How protocol, Brian? So, you're day 18. How protocol, Brian? So, you're day 18. How many days are you going to be doing many days are you going to be doing many days are you going to be doing this? We didn't really set a specific this? We didn't really set a specific this? We didn't really set a specific time frame on it. We begin traveling time frame on it. We begin traveling time frame on it. We begin traveling this coming Monday and we'll be out for this coming Monday and we'll be out for this coming Monday and we'll be out for basically three weeks. So, this is what basically three weeks. So, this is what basically three weeks. So, this is what happened with HBOT as well is I think we happened with HBOT as well is I think we happened with HBOT as well is I think we had something like 40 sessions and then had something like 40 sessions and then had something like 40 sessions and then we traveled to India and China and then we traveled to India and China and then we traveled to India and China and then I came back and we did 20 additional I came back and we did 20 additional I came back and we did 20 additional sessions with two weeks off. So, same sessions with two weeks off. So, same sessions with two weeks off. So, same here. I'll get up to 21 sessions. Then here. I'll get up to 21 sessions. Then here. I'll get up to 21 sessions. Then we'll travel for 3 weeks. Then I'll come

19:00we'll travel for 3 weeks. Then I'll come we'll travel for 3 weeks. Then I'll come back and we'll do an additional two to 3 back and we'll do an additional two to 3 back and we'll do an additional two to 3 weeks. Then we'll take the measurements weeks. Then we'll take the measurements weeks. Then we'll take the measurements again and we'll see where it's at. At again and we'll see where it's at. At again and we'll see where it's at. At that point, we may just conclude that that point, we may just conclude that that point, we may just conclude that we've basically given this a go. We'll we've basically given this a go. We'll we've basically given this a go. We'll make uh we'll do we'll uh analyze the make uh we'll do we'll uh analyze the make uh we'll do we'll uh analyze the data and then we may move on to another data and then we may move on to another data and then we may move on to another therapy because we like like Mike's therapy because we like like Mike's therapy because we like like Mike's saying that we we may be able to max out saying that we we may be able to max out saying that we we may be able to max out or at least get a trend line on the the or at least get a trend line on the the or at least get a trend line on the the benefits without going much longer. benefits without going much longer. benefits without going much longer. Maybe Mike, what's your take? Do you Maybe Mike, what's your take? Do you Maybe Mike, what's your take? Do you think that these 3 weeks 3 weeks break think that these 3 weeks 3 weeks break think that these 3 weeks 3 weeks break uh then initial two to three weeks would uh then initial two to three weeks would uh then initial two to three weeks would give us a a good assessment of this give us a a good assessment of this give us a a good assessment of this therapy? I think so. I think it'd give therapy? I think so. I think it'd give therapy? I think so. I think it'd give us a good start. We're not looking for us a good start. We're not looking for us a good start. We're not looking for huge changes here. we've already seen huge changes here. we've already seen huge changes here. we've already seen some positive change. The data here is some positive change. The data here is some positive change. The data here is really good. Um, you know, in terms of really good. Um, you know, in terms of really good. Um, you know, in terms of expected improvements or expected expected improvements or expected expected improvements or expected reduction in risk. Um, so I think I reduction in risk. Um, so I think I reduction in risk. Um, so I think I think this is something we're going to think this is something we're going to think this is something we're going to want to continue doing just based on want to continue doing just based on want to continue doing just based on what we've seen so far unless we see, what we've seen so far unless we see, what we've seen so far unless we see, you know, uh, you not tolerate it for you know, uh, you not tolerate it for you know, uh, you not tolerate it for some reason or, you know, negative some reason or, you know, negative some reason or, you know, negative changes in your blood work, which I changes in your blood work, which I changes in your blood work, which I wouldn't expect. Um, I would expect we'd

20:00wouldn't expect. Um, I would expect we'd wouldn't expect. Um, I would expect we'd we probably end up with a like this is a we probably end up with a like this is a we probably end up with a like this is a four times a week thing and we're just four times a week thing and we're just four times a week thing and we're just going to keep doing this. Yeah. Yeah, I going to keep doing this. Yeah. Yeah, I going to keep doing this. Yeah. Yeah, I mean the first two weeks it really uh mean the first two weeks it really uh mean the first two weeks it really uh knocked me flat. I felt I've never seen knocked me flat. I felt I've never seen knocked me flat. I felt I've never seen a protocol affect you as much as the a protocol affect you as much as the a protocol affect you as much as the sort of did actually wildly enough. sort of did actually wildly enough. sort of did actually wildly enough. Yeah. I mean, when I I just felt Yeah. I mean, when I I just felt Yeah. I mean, when I I just felt exhausted and I it was probably go exhausted and I it was probably go exhausted and I it was probably go because going from zero sauna to working because going from zero sauna to working because going from zero sauna to working out really hard and then getting in the out really hard and then getting in the out really hard and then getting in the sauna when I'm already very hot and sauna when I'm already very hot and sauna when I'm already very hot and going straight into 200 degrees going straight into 200 degrees going straight into 200 degrees Fahrenheit and yeah, so it was it was Fahrenheit and yeah, so it was it was Fahrenheit and yeah, so it was it was exhausting and then it also disrupted my exhausting and then it also disrupted my exhausting and then it also disrupted my sleep and so I didn't have good rest for sleep and so I didn't have good rest for sleep and so I didn't have good rest for two weeks because uh elevated my two weeks because uh elevated my two weeks because uh elevated my sympathetic nervous system and I got sympathetic nervous system and I got sympathetic nervous system and I got less REM, less deep. I would wake up in less REM, less deep. I would wake up in less REM, less deep. I would wake up in the middle of the night. I I had my the middle of the night. I I had my the middle of the night. I I had my first good night's sleep I think on day first good night's sleep I think on day first good night's sleep I think on day 15, but I'm I'm now starting to 15, but I'm I'm now starting to 15, but I'm I'm now starting to normalize, but yeah, it was pretty normalize, but yeah, it was pretty normalize, but yeah, it was pretty disruptive in the very beginning. But disruptive in the very beginning. But disruptive in the very beginning. But yeah, so the protocol is every day for

21:00yeah, so the protocol is every day for yeah, so the protocol is every day for 20 minutes. And then we've also um been 20 minutes. And then we've also um been 20 minutes. And then we've also um been mindful that we've been measuring uh mindful that we've been measuring uh mindful that we've been measuring uh sperm health as we discussed on the sperm health as we discussed on the sperm health as we discussed on the previous episode. And uh we were curious previous episode. And uh we were curious previous episode. And uh we were curious if we were able to maintain similar if we were able to maintain similar if we were able to maintain similar levels of uh fertility health while levels of uh fertility health while levels of uh fertility health while doing the sauna because there's a doing the sauna because there's a doing the sauna because there's a possibility that the heat would uh possibility that the heat would uh possibility that the heat would uh diminish my fertility. And so I've I've diminish my fertility. And so I've I've diminish my fertility. And so I've I've been using these ice packs that I have been using these ice packs that I have been using these ice packs that I have to keep the uh testicles cold during the to keep the uh testicles cold during the to keep the uh testicles cold during the sauna session. And then I also for the sauna session. And then I also for the sauna session. And then I also for the first few sessions I didn't have first few sessions I didn't have first few sessions I didn't have anything on my head and my scalp got anything on my head and my scalp got anything on my head and my scalp got irritated, a little dry. And so now I I irritated, a little dry. And so now I I irritated, a little dry. And so now I I put a little towel over my head and I put a little towel over my head and I put a little towel over my head and I put this um this ice pad over my head. put this um this ice pad over my head. put this um this ice pad over my head. And so I'm now icing my head and my And so I'm now icing my head and my And so I'm now icing my head and my testicles. And uh that seems to testicles. And uh that seems to testicles. And uh that seems to eliminated uh the irritation of my eliminated uh the irritation of my eliminated uh the irritation of my scalp. And we just completed a a semen scalp. And we just completed a a semen scalp. And we just completed a a semen sample. Actually, you're icing all the sample. Actually, you're icing all the sample. Actually, you're icing all the all the spheres at once. I feel Brian, I all the spheres at once. I feel Brian, I all the spheres at once. I feel Brian, I feel kind of bad about the I feel kind feel kind of bad about the I feel kind feel kind of bad about the I feel kind of bad about the protocol. I I so I'm

22:00of bad about the protocol. I I so I'm of bad about the protocol. I I so I'm surprised to be honest with you. I'm surprised to be honest with you. I'm surprised to be honest with you. I'm surprised that this affected you so hard surprised that this affected you so hard surprised that this affected you so hard so much because you have not flinched at so much because you have not flinched at so much because you have not flinched at every other thing we've thrown at you. every other thing we've thrown at you. every other thing we've thrown at you. Um so I I like normally I would ease Um so I I like normally I would ease Um so I I like normally I would ease someone into sauna but because I've got someone into sauna but because I've got someone into sauna but because I've got this experience with you now and you're this experience with you now and you're this experience with you now and you're like whatever. Yes, I'm taking I'm doing like whatever. Yes, I'm taking I'm doing like whatever. Yes, I'm taking I'm doing this like you're just you're on it. Um I this like you're just you're on it. Um I this like you're just you're on it. Um I didn't expect you to get get so so didn't expect you to get get so so didn't expect you to get get so so rocked by this one. So I my apologies. I rocked by this one. So I my apologies. I rocked by this one. So I my apologies. I we could have eased you into this. We we could have eased you into this. We we could have eased you into this. We could have like not done it right after could have like not done it right after could have like not done it right after exercise cuz that makes it way harder. exercise cuz that makes it way harder. exercise cuz that makes it way harder. We could have like started at 170 and We could have like started at 170 and We could have like started at 170 and then worked our way up to 200. We could then worked our way up to 200. We could then worked our way up to 200. We could have done three days a week and then have done three days a week and then have done three days a week and then worked up to seven. Like, sorry, man. worked up to seven. Like, sorry, man. worked up to seven. Like, sorry, man. I appreciate that, Mike. Yeah. You know, I appreciate that, Mike. Yeah. You know, I appreciate that, Mike. Yeah. You know, like um it's kind of Brian style to go. like um it's kind of Brian style to go. like um it's kind of Brian style to go. It is like, you know, it is like uh I It is like, you know, it is like uh I It is like, you know, it is like uh I you started doing this uh this prep. The you started doing this uh this prep. The you started doing this uh this prep. The evidence is so compelling and it's such evidence is so compelling and it's such evidence is so compelling and it's such a fun game to play. I just really a fun game to play. I just really a fun game to play. I just really couldn't help myself. Like, I just couldn't help myself. Like, I just couldn't help myself. Like, I just wanted to go. And so, yeah, I appreciate wanted to go. And so, yeah, I appreciate wanted to go. And so, yeah, I appreciate the gesture. Also, I was kind of in it.

23:00the gesture. Also, I was kind of in it. the gesture. Also, I was kind of in it. And if it required enduring some pain And if it required enduring some pain And if it required enduring some pain and discomfort, like all the better. and discomfort, like all the better. and discomfort, like all the better. Also, I'm just hearing about this now. Also, I'm just hearing about this now. Also, I'm just hearing about this now. It's not like you called me and you're It's not like you called me and you're It's not like you called me and you're like, and I was like, keep pushing. like, and I was like, keep pushing. like, and I was like, keep pushing. Like, yeah. You're just No, that that's Like, yeah. You're just No, that that's Like, yeah. You're just No, that that's that's true, actually. I I really don't that's true, actually. I I really don't that's true, actually. I I really don't complain much about anything. I just complain much about anything. I just complain much about anything. I just kind of endure it and I maybe maybe I kind of endure it and I maybe maybe I kind of endure it and I maybe maybe I should uh speak up. I guess like um I should uh speak up. I guess like um I should uh speak up. I guess like um I didn't think this was a side effect that didn't think this was a side effect that didn't think this was a side effect that was necessarily worth reporting to you, was necessarily worth reporting to you, was necessarily worth reporting to you, I thought it was just part of the I thought it was just part of the I thought it was just part of the adaptation period. And so, but adaptation period. And so, but adaptation period. And so, but otherwise, you know, when when I do otherwise, you know, when when I do otherwise, you know, when when I do experience something that I think is a experience something that I think is a experience something that I think is a potential side effect that would that potential side effect that would that potential side effect that would that would change how you process would change how you process would change how you process information, I do try to report that information, I do try to report that information, I do try to report that back. But I just thought like this is back. But I just thought like this is back. But I just thought like this is just typical adaptation period. Yeah. just typical adaptation period. Yeah. just typical adaptation period. Yeah. And I think it is. And I I think if And I think it is. And I I think if And I think it is. And I I think if people don't want that type of adapt people don't want that type of adapt people don't want that type of adapt adaptation period, they can just slow it adaptation period, they can just slow it adaptation period, they can just slow it and delay it by easing themselves into and delay it by easing themselves into and delay it by easing themselves into sauna because really if you do it if you sauna because really if you do it if you sauna because really if you do it if you do it slowly like sauna is is very do it slowly like sauna is is very do it slowly like sauna is is very forgiving. Like you know I think most

24:00forgiving. Like you know I think most forgiving. Like you know I think most people a lot of people feel like they people a lot of people feel like they people a lot of people feel like they sleep better with sauna. So you're sleep better with sauna. So you're sleep better with sauna. So you're talking about sleeping worse but like a talking about sleeping worse but like a talking about sleeping worse but like a lot of the a lot of the clients I've lot of the a lot of the clients I've lot of the a lot of the clients I've worked with in the past they actually worked with in the past they actually worked with in the past they actually like sauna in the evening because it like sauna in the evening because it like sauna in the evening because it helps them cool their body temperature helps them cool their body temperature helps them cool their body temperature and helps them get into sleep a little and helps them get into sleep a little and helps them get into sleep a little bit faster. So decreases sleep latency bit faster. So decreases sleep latency bit faster. So decreases sleep latency impre improves deep sleep. So the data impre improves deep sleep. So the data impre improves deep sleep. So the data would actually support sauna helps would actually support sauna helps would actually support sauna helps sleep, not sauna hurts sleep. But it's sleep, not sauna hurts sleep. But it's sleep, not sauna hurts sleep. But it's just because we're like we've been super just because we're like we've been super just because we're like we've been super aggro about it that you've had this this aggro about it that you've had this this aggro about it that you've had this this sleep disruption. Yeah. And I I did a sleep disruption. Yeah. And I I did a sleep disruption. Yeah. And I I did a Talmage Talmage Talmage I see yesterday started doing sauna for I see yesterday started doing sauna for I see yesterday started doing sauna for the first time and he's starting at 140. the first time and he's starting at 140. the first time and he's starting at 140. I gave him the caveat that of just hey I gave him the caveat that of just hey I gave him the caveat that of just hey be mindful like you want to step into be mindful like you want to step into be mindful like you want to step into this. So he did 140. So, I I turned the this. So he did 140. So, I I turned the this. So he did 140. So, I I turned the sauna on and when I got finished working sauna on and when I got finished working sauna on and when I got finished working out, I went out there and I was like, out, I went out there and I was like, out, I went out there and I was like, "Oh, damn. It's 140, not 200." You you "Oh, damn. It's 140, not 200." You you "Oh, damn. It's 140, not 200." You you preached the temperature. I was like, "I preached the temperature. I was like, "I preached the temperature. I was like, "I don't have enough time to wait for it to don't have enough time to wait for it to don't have enough time to wait for it to heat up to 200." So, I was like, "I'll heat up to 200." So, I was like, "I'll heat up to 200." So, I was like, "I'll just do it." And I got in at 140 and I just do it." And I got in at 140 and I just do it." And I got in at 140 and I was like, I don't feel anything. was like, I don't feel anything. was like, I don't feel anything. Is this thing even on? So, it it's Is this thing even on? So, it it's Is this thing even on? So, it it's pretty amazing to see how fast my body's

25:00pretty amazing to see how fast my body's pretty amazing to see how fast my body's adapted to this heat. And like 140 adapted to this heat. And like 140 adapted to this heat. And like 140 wouldn't even make me flinch. I mean, I wouldn't even make me flinch. I mean, I wouldn't even make me flinch. I mean, I I took 20 minutes. I don't think I I took 20 minutes. I don't think I I took 20 minutes. I don't think I worked up a sweat for the entire time. worked up a sweat for the entire time. worked up a sweat for the entire time. So, infrared, you know, infrared sauna So, infrared, you know, infrared sauna So, infrared, you know, infrared sauna is only getting to about 140, 150, is only getting to about 140, 150, is only getting to about 140, 150, right? So, there's a few of them that right? So, there's a few of them that right? So, there's a few of them that get to 155. And the the, you know, the get to 155. And the the, you know, the get to 155. And the the, you know, the the argument from infrared sauna people the argument from infrared sauna people the argument from infrared sauna people is that it's getting deeper into your is that it's getting deeper into your is that it's getting deeper into your body, but it's hard to believe. I mean body, but it's hard to believe. I mean body, but it's hard to believe. I mean like one there's the research that like one there's the research that like one there's the research that suggests that dry hot sauna is better or suggests that dry hot sauna is better or suggests that dry hot sauna is better or is you know at least more supported in is you know at least more supported in is you know at least more supported in the research than infrared but like you the research than infrared but like you the research than infrared but like you get in a 150 degree infrared sauna and get in a 150 degree infrared sauna and get in a 150 degree infrared sauna and then you compare that to a 200°ree dry then you compare that to a 200°ree dry then you compare that to a 200°ree dry sauna you can feel the difference like sauna you can feel the difference like sauna you can feel the difference like your body is uncomfortable in one and your body is uncomfortable in one and your body is uncomfortable in one and totally chilling like nothing's totally chilling like nothing's totally chilling like nothing's happening in the other. A lot of people happening in the other. A lot of people happening in the other. A lot of people are asking the difference between um a are asking the difference between um a are asking the difference between um a dry sauna and wet. And so the the dry dry sauna and wet. And so the the dry dry sauna and wet. And so the the dry sauna, this is a definition is it's 10 sauna, this is a definition is it's 10 sauna, this is a definition is it's 10 to 20% relative humidity, whereas a a to 20% relative humidity, whereas a a to 20% relative humidity, whereas a a wet sauna, you're approaching 100% wet sauna, you're approaching 100% wet sauna, you're approaching 100% humidity. So that's the the primary

26:00humidity. So that's the the primary humidity. So that's the the primary difference. And then the the finished difference. And then the the finished difference. And then the the finished sauna is between 176 um and 212 with the sauna is between 176 um and 212 with the sauna is between 176 um and 212 with the 10 to 20% relative humidity. And so I 10 to 20% relative humidity. And so I 10 to 20% relative humidity. And so I think that that the conclusion here was think that that the conclusion here was think that that the conclusion here was there's a lot more evidence on dry sauna there's a lot more evidence on dry sauna there's a lot more evidence on dry sauna than there is wet sauna. and that um the than there is wet sauna. and that um the than there is wet sauna. and that um the dry sonet is actually uh probably the dry sonet is actually uh probably the dry sonet is actually uh probably the more robust therapy. more robust therapy. more robust therapy. And then can you talk about so Brian you And then can you talk about so Brian you And then can you talk about so Brian you were experiencing cramps in the middle were experiencing cramps in the middle were experiencing cramps in the middle of the night. Can you talk about your of the night. Can you talk about your of the night. Can you talk about your rehydration protocol? Yeah. Yes. For the rehydration protocol? Yeah. Yes. For the rehydration protocol? Yeah. Yes. For the first three days I did not first three days I did not first three days I did not replenish enough with electrolytes. So, replenish enough with electrolytes. So, replenish enough with electrolytes. So, I started uh we've been just we've been I started uh we've been just we've been I started uh we've been just we've been uh making this blueprint electrolyte uh making this blueprint electrolyte uh making this blueprint electrolyte product and um because we like all product and um because we like all product and um because we like all things we want to source our own things we want to source our own things we want to source our own ingredients and test them and not be ingredients and test them and not be ingredients and test them and not be subject to other people's processes and subject to other people's processes and subject to other people's processes and um we were trying to figure out how much um we were trying to figure out how much um we were trying to figure out how much I would need for sodium intake and I would need for sodium intake and I would need for sodium intake and potassium and magnesium and so I was

27:00potassium and magnesium and so I was potassium and magnesium and so I was supplementing um a few hundred supplementing um a few hundred supplementing um a few hundred milligrams of sodium and then I think it milligrams of sodium and then I think it milligrams of sodium and then I think it was like a 100 or 200 of potassium 60 to was like a 100 or 200 of potassium 60 to was like a 100 or 200 of potassium 60 to 100 of of magnesium somewhere around 100 of of magnesium somewhere around 100 of of magnesium somewhere around there. And um I started having these there. And um I started having these there. And um I started having these intense like the most intense uh cramps intense like the most intense uh cramps intense like the most intense uh cramps I've ever had in my life. I would like I've ever had in my life. I would like I've ever had in my life. I would like wake up and just have to jump out of bed wake up and just have to jump out of bed wake up and just have to jump out of bed because it was excruciating and walk it because it was excruciating and walk it because it was excruciating and walk it off and it just happened repeatedly. And off and it just happened repeatedly. And off and it just happened repeatedly. And so then uh Mike I reported the side so then uh Mike I reported the side so then uh Mike I reported the side effect to Mike and uh yeah Mike was effect to Mike and uh yeah Mike was effect to Mike and uh yeah Mike was suggesting first we need to get a suggesting first we need to get a suggesting first we need to get a baseline because we need to figure out baseline because we need to figure out baseline because we need to figure out because he was Mike was asking me do I because he was Mike was asking me do I because he was Mike was asking me do I am I a salty sweater or not and he said am I a salty sweater or not and he said am I a salty sweater or not and he said you know if you're a salty sweater then you know if you're a salty sweater then you know if you're a salty sweater then you have after you you work out you have you have after you you work out you have you have after you you work out you have rings of sweat of salt and I don't have rings of sweat of salt and I don't have rings of sweat of salt and I don't have that uh at least I haven't noticed that that uh at least I haven't noticed that that uh at least I haven't noticed that and so I was speculating that I wasn't a and so I was speculating that I wasn't a and so I was speculating that I wasn't a salty sweater but then u we we used this salty sweater but then u we we used this salty sweater but then u we we used this patch made by Gator Gatorade that you patch made by Gator Gatorade that you patch made by Gator Gatorade that you put on the your your inner forearm and put on the your your inner forearm and put on the your your inner forearm and it measures your your actual your sweat

28:00it measures your your actual your sweat it measures your your actual your sweat rate and your sodium content in your rate and your sodium content in your rate and your sodium content in your sweat. And so in a 20-minute session at sweat. And so in a 20-minute session at sweat. And so in a 20-minute session at 200 after I worked out, I generated 18 200 after I worked out, I generated 18 200 after I worked out, I generated 18 ounces of sweat. And then my sodium was ounces of sweat. And then my sodium was ounces of sweat. And then my sodium was between 29 mg and 36 thereabouts for between 29 mg and 36 thereabouts for between 29 mg and 36 thereabouts for every every ounce. So for a 20 minute every every ounce. So for a 20 minute every every ounce. So for a 20 minute session of sauna, I was somewhere in session of sauna, I was somewhere in session of sauna, I was somewhere in between 6 and 700 milligrams of sodium between 6 and 700 milligrams of sodium between 6 and 700 milligrams of sodium that my body would excrete in sweat. And that my body would excrete in sweat. And that my body would excrete in sweat. And so then we mapped that out and then we so then we mapped that out and then we so then we mapped that out and then we mapped the electrolyte intake for the mapped the electrolyte intake for the mapped the electrolyte intake for the right ratios of sodium, potassium, and right ratios of sodium, potassium, and right ratios of sodium, potassium, and magnesium. And they've since gone away. magnesium. And they've since gone away. magnesium. And they've since gone away. So I I do have we've got back into So I I do have we've got back into So I I do have we've got back into electrolyte balance, but I was not electrolyte balance, but I was not electrolyte balance, but I was not balanced initially. So to to recap all balanced initially. So to to recap all balanced initially. So to to recap all that, it's a dry sauna finish style, that, it's a dry sauna finish style, that, it's a dry sauna finish style, 200° F, which is around 93 C. You do 20 200° F, which is around 93 C. You do 20 200° F, which is around 93 C. You do 20 minutes every day. You wear an ice pack minutes every day. You wear an ice pack minutes every day. You wear an ice pack on your head and on your balls, and you on your head and on your balls, and you on your head and on your balls, and you rehydrate with electrolytes immediately

29:00rehydrate with electrolytes immediately rehydrate with electrolytes immediately afterwards. Do you also drink afterwards. Do you also drink afterwards. Do you also drink beforehand? And then do you you do beforehand? And then do you you do beforehand? And then do you you do morning sauna, it sounds like, and not morning sauna, it sounds like, and not morning sauna, it sounds like, and not evening because it disrupted your sleep. evening because it disrupted your sleep. evening because it disrupted your sleep. Yeah. But the science doesn't say that Yeah. But the science doesn't say that Yeah. But the science doesn't say that that's necessarily true for everyone. that's necessarily true for everyone. that's necessarily true for everyone. So, and then are you drinking beforehand So, and then are you drinking beforehand So, and then are you drinking beforehand water? Yes, I drink a total of 36 like I water? Yes, I drink a total of 36 like I water? Yes, I drink a total of 36 like I guess 40 ounces. 20 before and 20 after. guess 40 ounces. 20 before and 20 after. guess 40 ounces. 20 before and 20 after. So, I do electrolytes half of the So, I do electrolytes half of the So, I do electrolytes half of the electrolytes before and half after. And electrolytes before and half after. And electrolytes before and half after. And Mike, is that a protocol that someone at Mike, is that a protocol that someone at Mike, is that a protocol that someone at home could replicate for themselves? home could replicate for themselves? home could replicate for themselves? Totally. Yeah, it's relatively easy. I Totally. Yeah, it's relatively easy. I Totally. Yeah, it's relatively easy. I think you might want to play around with think you might want to play around with think you might want to play around with the salt a little bit or do one of those the salt a little bit or do one of those the salt a little bit or do one of those um salt measuring uh stickers from from um salt measuring uh stickers from from um salt measuring uh stickers from from Gatorade. Uh, but you know, somewhere Gatorade. Uh, but you know, somewhere Gatorade. Uh, but you know, somewhere around 500 milligrams of salt is around 500 milligrams of salt is around 500 milligrams of salt is probably reasonable for most people. Um, probably reasonable for most people. Um, probably reasonable for most people. Um, you definitely want to be on the upper you definitely want to be on the upper you definitely want to be on the upper end of water. You know, around 36 ounces end of water. You know, around 36 ounces end of water. You know, around 36 ounces is reasonable if you're doing uh 20 is reasonable if you're doing uh 20 is reasonable if you're doing uh 20 minutes at 200 degrees and you're a minutes at 200 degrees and you're a minutes at 200 degrees and you're a heavy sweater. It sounds like Kate, you heavy sweater. It sounds like Kate, you heavy sweater. It sounds like Kate, you need 1 ounce of water afterwards need 1 ounce of water afterwards need 1 ounce of water afterwards somehow. I I don't maybe salt, negative

30:00somehow. I I don't maybe salt, negative somehow. I I don't maybe salt, negative salt. Um, but like the idea is there's a salt. Um, but like the idea is there's a salt. Um, but like the idea is there's a there's a linear relationship between there's a linear relationship between there's a linear relationship between dose and effect here. So the the more dose and effect here. So the the more dose and effect here. So the the more dose you get, the greater the effect, at dose you get, the greater the effect, at dose you get, the greater the effect, at least for outcome data, for least for outcome data, for least for outcome data, for cardiovascular disease, for dementia, cardiovascular disease, for dementia, cardiovascular disease, for dementia, for uh mortality, all those things. So for uh mortality, all those things. So for uh mortality, all those things. So one sauna session a week is good. Seven one sauna session a week is good. Seven one sauna session a week is good. Seven sauna sessions a week is better, right? sauna sessions a week is better, right? sauna sessions a week is better, right? So it really it truly is the more the So it really it truly is the more the So it really it truly is the more the more the better in in this case. At more the better in in this case. At more the better in in this case. At least that's what the data that's what least that's what the data that's what least that's what the data that's what the data suggests. Um there are there the data suggests. Um there are there the data suggests. Um there are there are people who should probably be are people who should probably be are people who should probably be careful in sauna. So like you're not careful in sauna. So like you're not careful in sauna. So like you're not asking this, but I'm going to say it asking this, but I'm going to say it asking this, but I'm going to say it anyway, Kate. anyway, Kate. anyway, Kate. uh pregnancy, you should not really be uh pregnancy, you should not really be uh pregnancy, you should not really be going in a sauna, just like you going in a sauna, just like you going in a sauna, just like you shouldn't be going in a hot tub. Um shouldn't be going in a hot tub. Um shouldn't be going in a hot tub. Um people with unmanaged cardiovascular people with unmanaged cardiovascular people with unmanaged cardiovascular disease should not be going in a sauna disease should not be going in a sauna disease should not be going in a sauna without talking to their clinician. Uh without talking to their clinician. Uh without talking to their clinician. Uh people who have difficulty with people who have difficulty with people who have difficulty with electrolyte shifts, there are people electrolyte shifts, there are people electrolyte shifts, there are people like with POT syndrome or other issues like with POT syndrome or other issues like with POT syndrome or other issues where they have difficulty with where they have difficulty with where they have difficulty with electrolyte shifts, get dizzy. Um those electrolyte shifts, get dizzy. Um those electrolyte shifts, get dizzy. Um those people need to be very careful because people need to be very careful because people need to be very careful because like you are um you're pushing a lot of like you are um you're pushing a lot of like you are um you're pushing a lot of your blood from your central circulation your blood from your central circulation your blood from your central circulation into your tissues as your body tries to

31:00into your tissues as your body tries to into your tissues as your body tries to cool down and that can cause dizziness cool down and that can cause dizziness cool down and that can cause dizziness and lightheadedness. So, be careful the and lightheadedness. So, be careful the and lightheadedness. So, be careful the first few times you get in it. Don't do first few times you get in it. Don't do first few times you get in it. Don't do like Brian, don't start off at 200° 7 like Brian, don't start off at 200° 7 like Brian, don't start off at 200° 7 days a week for 20 minutes. Uh, and push days a week for 20 minutes. Uh, and push days a week for 20 minutes. Uh, and push through all the pain. Like, ease into through all the pain. Like, ease into through all the pain. Like, ease into it, see how you feel. But this is it, see how you feel. But this is it, see how you feel. But this is certainly something that I think certainly something that I think certainly something that I think everyone can get. And there's even ways everyone can get. And there's even ways everyone can get. And there's even ways to get a similar benefit without saunas. to get a similar benefit without saunas. to get a similar benefit without saunas. So, if you're like a warm bath, um, you So, if you're like a warm bath, um, you So, if you're like a warm bath, um, you know, taking a warm bath, going for know, taking a warm bath, going for know, taking a warm bath, going for exercise, similar sorts of mechanisms exercise, similar sorts of mechanisms exercise, similar sorts of mechanisms happen in the body. When I was going happen in the body. When I was going happen in the body. When I was going through this, I was like, I'm destroyed. through this, I was like, I'm destroyed. through this, I was like, I'm destroyed. And I thought, is this normal? So I And I thought, is this normal? So I And I thought, is this normal? So I called Kate and I was like, Kate, do you called Kate and I was like, Kate, do you called Kate and I was like, Kate, do you want to come over and do SA? Because I want to come over and do SA? Because I want to come over and do SA? Because I wanted to get her experience and see wanted to get her experience and see wanted to get her experience and see like if she was using me as a guinea pig like if she was using me as a guinea pig like if she was using me as a guinea pig essentially. essentially. essentially. Like is this as bad for you as it is for Like is this as bad for you as it is for Like is this as bad for you as it is for me? So what am I walking into? I was me? So what am I walking into? I was me? So what am I walking into? I was kind of scared cuz and that's the other kind of scared cuz and that's the other kind of scared cuz and that's the other thing I asked. I was like, is this safe? thing I asked. I was like, is this safe? thing I asked. I was like, is this safe? Like 200° Fahrenheit is insanely hot. Like 200° Fahrenheit is insanely hot. Like 200° Fahrenheit is insanely hot. Like Brian and I looks it up and what it Like Brian and I looks it up and what it Like Brian and I looks it up and what it takes 20 minutes to cook an egg in that.

32:00takes 20 minutes to cook an egg in that. takes 20 minutes to cook an egg in that. Yeah. If you put an egg in there, it's Yeah. If you put an egg in there, it's Yeah. If you put an egg in there, it's it's hot enough where the the white uh it's hot enough where the the white uh it's hot enough where the the white uh actually solidifies. Um and so I was actually solidifies. Um and so I was actually solidifies. Um and so I was kind of a little bit nervous. Um but it kind of a little bit nervous. Um but it kind of a little bit nervous. Um but it totally worked out totally fine for me. totally worked out totally fine for me. totally worked out totally fine for me. It was so comfortable and I I love the It was so comfortable and I I love the It was so comfortable and I I love the heat. It was just like a being in the heat. It was just like a being in the heat. It was just like a being in the sun. It was so nice, so soothing. sun. It was so nice, so soothing. sun. It was so nice, so soothing. Not sweating, sitting there completely Not sweating, sitting there completely Not sweating, sitting there completely comfortable. Brian's over here like sort comfortable. Brian's over here like sort comfortable. Brian's over here like sort of like shivering, sweating. of like shivering, sweating. of like shivering, sweating. Yeah, I think I made the time go much someone else there to distract him in the 20 minute sprint. Yeah. I mean, the 20 minute sprint. Yeah. I mean, the 20 minute sprint. Yeah. I mean, Kate, you also had a really significant Kate, you also had a really significant Kate, you also had a really significant HRV bounce. That's true. Yeah. And HRV bounce. That's true. Yeah. And HRV bounce. That's true. Yeah. And that's something I've seen throughout my that's something I've seen throughout my that's something I've seen throughout my life. Whenever I do a sauna, my HRV will life. Whenever I do a sauna, my HRV will life. Whenever I do a sauna, my HRV will spike the next day. So, I do want to spike the next day. So, I do want to spike the next day. So, I do want to I've had trouble keeping a steady HIV. I I've had trouble keeping a steady HIV. I I've had trouble keeping a steady HIV. I typically see very large fluctuations um typically see very large fluctuations um typically see very large fluctuations um usually correlated with my menstrual usually correlated with my menstrual usually correlated with my menstrual cycle. So I want to do a protocol and cycle. So I want to do a protocol and cycle. So I want to do a protocol and see can I stabilize that those dips that

33:00see can I stabilize that those dips that see can I stabilize that those dips that I usually experience in my lutil phase I usually experience in my lutil phase I usually experience in my lutil phase um with sauna. I think that'd be really um with sauna. I think that'd be really um with sauna. I think that'd be really really interesting. Yeah, that's cool. really interesting. Yeah, that's cool. really interesting. Yeah, that's cool. That's a cool idea. I mean it certainly That's a cool idea. I mean it certainly That's a cool idea. I mean it certainly can help with um it should help with HRV can help with um it should help with HRV can help with um it should help with HRV because it does have sort of a because it does have sort of a because it does have sort of a parasympathetic activation. So it would parasympathetic activation. So it would parasympathetic activation. So it would make sense that your HRV would go up a make sense that your HRV would go up a make sense that your HRV would go up a little bit. I mean, Mike, the sauna does little bit. I mean, Mike, the sauna does little bit. I mean, Mike, the sauna does seem to address something like we've seem to address something like we've seem to address something like we've maxed out, I think, nutrition. I think maxed out, I think, nutrition. I think maxed out, I think, nutrition. I think we've maxed out supplementation, also we've maxed out supplementation, also we've maxed out supplementation, also exercise, but you know, sauna seems to exercise, but you know, sauna seems to exercise, but you know, sauna seems to to fit a piece of the puzzle that we to fit a piece of the puzzle that we to fit a piece of the puzzle that we haven't been able to solve on vascular haven't been able to solve on vascular haven't been able to solve on vascular health. Mhm. Are there other things that health. Mhm. Are there other things that health. Mhm. Are there other things that would be competitive with sauna that so would be competitive with sauna that so would be competitive with sauna that so if if we didn't do sana we wanted a if if we didn't do sana we wanted a if if we didn't do sana we wanted a similar vascular improvement what similar vascular improvement what similar vascular improvement what therapies would we look at or does sauna therapies would we look at or does sauna therapies would we look at or does sauna hold a pretty unique position in terms hold a pretty unique position in terms hold a pretty unique position in terms of its ability to generate these heat of its ability to generate these heat of its ability to generate these heat shock proteins to uh work on the shock proteins to uh work on the shock proteins to uh work on the endothelia function increase blood by endothelia function increase blood by endothelia function increase blood by 70%. Your best bet outside of sauna like 70%. Your best bet outside of sauna like 70%. Your best bet outside of sauna like say for example you are someone say for example you are someone say for example you are someone listening and you don't have access to a

34:00listening and you don't have access to a listening and you don't have access to a sauna you don't have a gym where you get sauna you don't have a gym where you get sauna you don't have a gym where you get to a sauna your best bet is is exercise. to a sauna your best bet is is exercise. to a sauna your best bet is is exercise. So in terms of like activating heat So in terms of like activating heat So in terms of like activating heat shock proteins, increasing core body shock proteins, increasing core body shock proteins, increasing core body temperature, like increasing BDNF, a lot temperature, like increasing BDNF, a lot temperature, like increasing BDNF, a lot of like really almost every single one of like really almost every single one of like really almost every single one of those list of mechanisms that we went of those list of mechanisms that we went of those list of mechanisms that we went through that sauna is activating, through that sauna is activating, through that sauna is activating, exercise also does. So in your case, exercise also does. So in your case, exercise also does. So in your case, we've already optimized those things we've already optimized those things we've already optimized those things from an exercise standpoint. Now we're from an exercise standpoint. Now we're from an exercise standpoint. Now we're hitting them also from a sauna hitting them also from a sauna hitting them also from a sauna standpoint. So we're hitting hitting standpoint. So we're hitting hitting standpoint. So we're hitting hitting them with heat as well. Um, but you get them with heat as well. Um, but you get them with heat as well. Um, but you get a lot of that benefit from exercise. a lot of that benefit from exercise. a lot of that benefit from exercise. Exercise is your next next best thing. Exercise is your next next best thing. Exercise is your next next best thing. And to be honest, I think like if you And to be honest, I think like if you And to be honest, I think like if you were to pick one thing and you had to were to pick one thing and you had to were to pick one thing and you had to pick it, I would pick exercise over pick it, I would pick exercise over pick it, I would pick exercise over sauna. But in in a setting where you sauna. But in in a setting where you sauna. But in in a setting where you know you want the benefits of sauna and know you want the benefits of sauna and know you want the benefits of sauna and you can't sauna, exercise is next best. you can't sauna, exercise is next best. you can't sauna, exercise is next best. The studies on on like hot baths on, you The studies on on like hot baths on, you The studies on on like hot baths on, you know, hot tubs, if you have access to know, hot tubs, if you have access to know, hot tubs, if you have access to that or just drawing a hot bath at your that or just drawing a hot bath at your that or just drawing a hot bath at your home, um are actually decent. like home, um are actually decent. like home, um are actually decent. like there's some they suggest that there's a there's some they suggest that there's a there's some they suggest that there's a similar sort of mechanism and some similar sort of mechanism and some similar sort of mechanism and some degree of benefit that is somewhat degree of benefit that is somewhat degree of benefit that is somewhat similar to a sauna although it's not as similar to a sauna although it's not as similar to a sauna although it's not as well studied but theoretically you're well studied but theoretically you're well studied but theoretically you're getting a very similar sort of situation

35:00getting a very similar sort of situation getting a very similar sort of situation where hot temperature in this case it's where hot temperature in this case it's where hot temperature in this case it's you know a um convective rather than you know a um convective rather than you know a um convective rather than conductive heat loss but like you know conductive heat loss but like you know conductive heat loss but like you know um increasing the body temperature of it um increasing the body temperature of it um increasing the body temperature of it rather quickly causing all that heat rather quickly causing all that heat rather quickly causing all that heat probably getting heat shock protein probably getting heat shock protein probably getting heat shock protein activation so that's another another activation so that's another another activation so that's another another good benefit you could also do like good benefit you could also do like good benefit you could also do like contrast showers there's been some contrast showers there's been some contrast showers there's been some interesting research on contrast interesting research on contrast interesting research on contrast showers, going hot and cold, hot cold. showers, going hot and cold, hot cold. showers, going hot and cold, hot cold. Um, and that might have some similar Um, and that might have some similar Um, and that might have some similar sort of like vascular exercise kind of sort of like vascular exercise kind of sort of like vascular exercise kind of effects. Um, so there's some options out effects. Um, so there's some options out effects. Um, so there's some options out there for people that don't have access there for people that don't have access there for people that don't have access to a sauna. Yeah. I mean, so far I'm I'm to a sauna. Yeah. I mean, so far I'm I'm to a sauna. Yeah. I mean, so far I'm I'm with the early data we have, I'm with the early data we have, I'm with the early data we have, I'm impressed because I work out seven days impressed because I work out seven days impressed because I work out seven days a week. I I mean, I work out really hard a week. I I mean, I work out really hard a week. I I mean, I work out really hard and so I'm I'm just impressed that the and so I'm I'm just impressed that the and so I'm I'm just impressed that the sauna could further boost gains even sauna could further boost gains even sauna could further boost gains even though they they have, you know, similar though they they have, you know, similar though they they have, you know, similar uh mechanism of action. So yeah, excited uh mechanism of action. So yeah, excited uh mechanism of action. So yeah, excited to see what ultimately happens after I to see what ultimately happens after I to see what ultimately happens after I guess it would be let's see around 40 40 guess it would be let's see around 40 40 guess it would be let's see around 40 40 to 50 sessions total once we get once we to 50 sessions total once we get once we to 50 sessions total once we get once we complete with this. And um I definitely

36:00complete with this. And um I definitely complete with this. And um I definitely do enjoy it though. Similar to Hbot, do enjoy it though. Similar to Hbot, do enjoy it though. Similar to Hbot, right? Like same same amount of right? Like same same amount of right? Like same same amount of basically about the same amount of dose, basically about the same amount of dose, basically about the same amount of dose, right? Like we're right at 60 sessions right? Like we're right at 60 sessions right? Like we're right at 60 sessions with Hbot before we before we retest it. with Hbot before we before we retest it. with Hbot before we before we retest it. I also wonder if if we're going to find I also wonder if if we're going to find I also wonder if if we're going to find anything unique in the data because with anything unique in the data because with anything unique in the data because with HBOT, you know, I I hadn't heard anybody HBOT, you know, I I hadn't heard anybody HBOT, you know, I I hadn't heard anybody talk about the microbiome as it relates talk about the microbiome as it relates talk about the microbiome as it relates to HBOT. to HBOT. to HBOT. And to see the dramatic changes we had And to see the dramatic changes we had And to see the dramatic changes we had with the short- chain fatty acids, with with the short- chain fatty acids, with with the short- chain fatty acids, with acromancia, withutyrate, with the acromancia, withutyrate, with the acromancia, withutyrate, with the vitamin D changes I had like where a vitamin D changes I had like where a vitamin D changes I had like where a 238% increase in vitamin D with the same 238% increase in vitamin D with the same 238% increase in vitamin D with the same level of supplementation. That was kind level of supplementation. That was kind level of supplementation. That was kind of a surprise to me. I mean, maybe of a surprise to me. I mean, maybe of a surprise to me. I mean, maybe there's literature out there that I'm there's literature out there that I'm there's literature out there that I'm unaware of, but I wonder given that unaware of, but I wonder given that unaware of, but I wonder given that we're measuring so many things on sauna we're measuring so many things on sauna we're measuring so many things on sauna if we're going to find any unexpected if we're going to find any unexpected if we're going to find any unexpected thing, including for example in the thing, including for example in the thing, including for example in the microbiome or or in PAL, you know, the microbiome or or in PAL, you know, the microbiome or or in PAL, you know, the marker that was recently approved for marker that was recently approved for marker that was recently approved for Alzheimer's. Yep. Again, like your Alzheimer's. Yep. Again, like your Alzheimer's. Yep. Again, like your metrics are good, so it's hard to see metrics are good, so it's hard to see metrics are good, so it's hard to see those ch hard to see those changes, but those ch hard to see those changes, but those ch hard to see those changes, but we should check PAL at the end. uh we we should check PAL at the end. uh we we should check PAL at the end. uh we should do another microbiome test, but should do another microbiome test, but should do another microbiome test, but honestly like your microbiome is now so

37:00honestly like your microbiome is now so honestly like your microbiome is now so good from Hbot that it's going to be good from Hbot that it's going to be good from Hbot that it's going to be hard to identify much change. Um so hard to identify much change. Um so hard to identify much change. Um so yeah, we we're running up against the yeah, we we're running up against the yeah, we we're running up against the same issue, which is a good problem to same issue, which is a good problem to same issue, which is a good problem to have, I think. Yeah, the PAL comment, have, I think. Yeah, the PAL comment, have, I think. Yeah, the PAL comment, this is PAL 217. This was recently this is PAL 217. This was recently this is PAL 217. This was recently approved by the FDA as the first marker approved by the FDA as the first marker approved by the FDA as the first marker for Alzheimer's and HBO lowered that for Alzheimer's and HBO lowered that for Alzheimer's and HBO lowered that marker in me by 28%. marker in me by 28%. marker in me by 28%. And so we need to I think do a bit of And so we need to I think do a bit of And so we need to I think do a bit of follow-up and see what the variance of follow-up and see what the variance of follow-up and see what the variance of that marker measurement is. But still that marker measurement is. But still that marker measurement is. But still like it's such a massive drop. And like it's such a massive drop. And like it's such a massive drop. And that's again something I had never that's again something I had never that's again something I had never thought about HBO relating to cognitive thought about HBO relating to cognitive thought about HBO relating to cognitive decline and specifically to prevent to decline and specifically to prevent to decline and specifically to prevent to to um lessen its risks in a healthy to um lessen its risks in a healthy to um lessen its risks in a healthy person. I've heard of people doing it, person. I've heard of people doing it, person. I've heard of people doing it, you know, on when they're actively you know, on when they're actively you know, on when they're actively engaged in that. But again, I guess engaged in that. But again, I guess engaged in that. But again, I guess these are all to me uh really delicious these are all to me uh really delicious these are all to me uh really delicious findings on unexpected things where you findings on unexpected things where you findings on unexpected things where you you hear of a certain therapy supposed you hear of a certain therapy supposed you hear of a certain therapy supposed to be for a certain thing, but then to be for a certain thing, but then to be for a certain thing, but then there's this long tale of benefits which there's this long tale of benefits which there's this long tale of benefits which are really actually important, but they

38:00are really actually important, but they are really actually important, but they just haven't risen to like the headline just haven't risen to like the headline just haven't risen to like the headline news of what the therapy is targeted news of what the therapy is targeted news of what the therapy is targeted for. We could also see changes in in for. We could also see changes in in for. We could also see changes in in brain function with all the increased brain function with all the increased brain function with all the increased BDNF from the sauna. So doing another uh BDNF from the sauna. So doing another uh BDNF from the sauna. So doing another uh kernel test post sauna, post 50 60 kernel test post sauna, post 50 60 kernel test post sauna, post 50 60 sessions is probably worth it too. Yeah, sessions is probably worth it too. Yeah, sessions is probably worth it too. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I've got the kernel that's true. Yeah, I've got the kernel that's true. Yeah, I've got the kernel device here right next to me. I'm I'm device here right next to me. I'm I'm device here right next to me. I'm I'm going to start doing uh daily going to start doing uh daily going to start doing uh daily measurements. This tells you this tells measurements. This tells you this tells measurements. This tells you this tells you your brain age. Is that right, you your brain age. Is that right, you your brain age. Is that right, Brian? Colonel. Yes, that's right. Yeah, Brian? Colonel. Yes, that's right. Yeah, Brian? Colonel. Yes, that's right. Yeah, this is using basically like a uh blood this is using basically like a uh blood this is using basically like a uh blood oxygenation device for the brain. And so oxygenation device for the brain. And so oxygenation device for the brain. And so it it uses that as a proxy for neurons it it uses that as a proxy for neurons it it uses that as a proxy for neurons firing. And yeah, so right now it gives firing. And yeah, so right now it gives firing. And yeah, so right now it gives you a brain age number, but then we're you a brain age number, but then we're you a brain age number, but then we're we're now developing this larger panel we're now developing this larger panel we're now developing this larger panel of uh biomarkers for the brain on of uh biomarkers for the brain on of uh biomarkers for the brain on processing speed, memory, processing speed, memory, processing speed, memory, uh ling uh language. So we'll have this uh ling uh language. So we'll have this uh ling uh language. So we'll have this big dashboard of markers of how healthy big dashboard of markers of how healthy big dashboard of markers of how healthy is your brain, which is wild because is your brain, which is wild because is your brain, which is wild because measurement for the brain is so measurement for the brain is so measurement for the brain is so currently inaccessible and this is a

39:00currently inaccessible and this is a currently inaccessible and this is a helmet that you can put on your head. So helmet that you can put on your head. So helmet that you can put on your head. So so exciting. I can't wait to see that so exciting. I can't wait to see that so exciting. I can't wait to see that data. Um Mike, do you have an opinion? data. Um Mike, do you have an opinion? data. Um Mike, do you have an opinion? And maybe you don't have an answer for And maybe you don't have an answer for And maybe you don't have an answer for this on whether or not brine should be this on whether or not brine should be this on whether or not brine should be nude in the sauna, aka not with nude in the sauna, aka not with nude in the sauna, aka not with potential polyester clothing, that kind potential polyester clothing, that kind potential polyester clothing, that kind of stuff as it's heating up. Yeah, I of stuff as it's heating up. Yeah, I of stuff as it's heating up. Yeah, I would avoid I'd avoid plastics for sure. would avoid I'd avoid plastics for sure. would avoid I'd avoid plastics for sure. Um I think that uh wool is probably Um I think that uh wool is probably Um I think that uh wool is probably fine. Wool or cotton would be would be fine. Wool or cotton would be would be fine. Wool or cotton would be would be okay, but I mean it's in your it's in okay, but I mean it's in your it's in okay, but I mean it's in your it's in your backyard. Just uh just go go solo. your backyard. Just uh just go go solo. your backyard. Just uh just go go solo. No harm. No harm. I mean we we so we No harm. No harm. I mean we we so we No harm. No harm. I mean we we so we actually were testing quite a few things actually were testing quite a few things actually were testing quite a few things for glyphosate and for example one of for glyphosate and for example one of for glyphosate and for example one of the lab results came back showing that a the lab results came back showing that a the lab results came back showing that a diaper we tested had diaper we tested had diaper we tested had oh I forget the data anyways it came oh I forget the data anyways it came oh I forget the data anyways it came back with a very large number uh that back with a very large number uh that back with a very large number uh that was kind of alarming which makes sense was kind of alarming which makes sense was kind of alarming which makes sense like the material going into a diaper like the material going into a diaper like the material going into a diaper would have glyphosate as um an input uh would have glyphosate as um an input uh would have glyphosate as um an input uh like you know in in the in the like you know in in the in the like you know in in the in the agricultural process and so the fact

40:00agricultural process and so the fact agricultural process and so the fact that it would slip by any kind of that it would slip by any kind of that it would slip by any kind of detection because people wouldn't think detection because people wouldn't think detection because people wouldn't think it as food for consumption. It's on the it as food for consumption. It's on the it as food for consumption. It's on the body. But still, and I don't think body. But still, and I don't think body. But still, and I don't think there's good evidence on what the skin there's good evidence on what the skin there's good evidence on what the skin absorbs of glyphosate. So, I think absorbs of glyphosate. So, I think absorbs of glyphosate. So, I think there's like a few jumps you have to there's like a few jumps you have to there's like a few jumps you have to assess and see is it a risk? If so, what assess and see is it a risk? If so, what assess and see is it a risk? If so, what kind? So, is glyphosate a pesticide? kind? So, is glyphosate a pesticide? kind? So, is glyphosate a pesticide? Yeah, it's a a broadspectctrum Yeah, it's a a broadspectctrum Yeah, it's a a broadspectctrum herbicide. And so, okay. Yeah, it could herbicide. And so, okay. Yeah, it could herbicide. And so, okay. Yeah, it could be used in the process of of growing um be used in the process of of growing um be used in the process of of growing um soybeans, corn, canola, cotton. And so soybeans, corn, canola, cotton. And so soybeans, corn, canola, cotton. And so that's why when Kate and I were in the U that's why when Kate and I were in the U that's why when Kate and I were in the U sauna, I had shorts on. And so I sauna, I had shorts on. And so I sauna, I had shorts on. And so I basically I had shorts on and underwear. basically I had shorts on and underwear. basically I had shorts on and underwear. Both are cotton, but I needed them to Both are cotton, but I needed them to Both are cotton, but I needed them to ice the balls. And Kate was like, "Maybe ice the balls. And Kate was like, "Maybe ice the balls. And Kate was like, "Maybe you should be nude because like we're you should be nude because like we're you should be nude because like we're learning from our tests that we're we're learning from our tests that we're we're learning from our tests that we're we're detecting glyphosate in foods and in detecting glyphosate in foods and in detecting glyphosate in foods and in diapers and in so there's no reason to diapers and in so there's no reason to diapers and in so there's no reason to believe that your cotton clothing is

41:00believe that your cotton clothing is believe that your cotton clothing is free from glyphosate and the increased free from glyphosate and the increased free from glyphosate and the increased heat plus the you know being up against heat plus the you know being up against heat plus the you know being up against your body like you may be uh your body like you may be uh your body like you may be uh unexpectedly be dosing yourself with unexpectedly be dosing yourself with unexpectedly be dosing yourself with glyphosate. So it was a good point. A glyphosate. So it was a good point. A glyphosate. So it was a good point. A lot of these chemicals are um fat lot of these chemicals are um fat lot of these chemicals are um fat soluble. So like you know the water from soluble. So like you know the water from soluble. So like you know the water from your sweat plus the oils from your skin your sweat plus the oils from your skin your sweat plus the oils from your skin are sometimes enough to help that are sometimes enough to help that are sometimes enough to help that transllocation of the chemical into your transllocation of the chemical into your transllocation of the chemical into your into your body. So we whenever we into your body. So we whenever we into your body. So we whenever we implement heat into the situation, we implement heat into the situation, we implement heat into the situation, we always worry more about like this always worry more about like this always worry more about like this chemical reactivity and its ability to chemical reactivity and its ability to chemical reactivity and its ability to transfer um through the skin. So yeah, I transfer um through the skin. So yeah, I transfer um through the skin. So yeah, I agree with you Kate. I think like uh the agree with you Kate. I think like uh the agree with you Kate. I think like uh the less the better for sure. Yeah. And I less the better for sure. Yeah. And I less the better for sure. Yeah. And I remember um it was we were pretty remember um it was we were pretty remember um it was we were pretty specific about finding a sauna that was specific about finding a sauna that was specific about finding a sauna that was safe to use, right? Like we were looking safe to use, right? Like we were looking safe to use, right? Like we were looking at air quality within sauners. A lot of at air quality within sauners. A lot of at air quality within sauners. A lot of sauna use, you know, crappy woods or bad sauna use, you know, crappy woods or bad sauna use, you know, crappy woods or bad glues and then that gets heated up and glues and then that gets heated up and glues and then that gets heated up and you're in you're smelling breathing in you're in you're smelling breathing in you're in you're smelling breathing in those those fumes. Um did we test this those those fumes. Um did we test this those those fumes. Um did we test this one for air quality? The one that you're

42:00one for air quality? The one that you're one for air quality? The one that you're using, Brian? We did. Yeah. I'd like to using, Brian? We did. Yeah. I'd like to using, Brian? We did. Yeah. I'd like to test it again. We tested it before it test it again. We tested it before it test it again. We tested it before it arrived. I would like to complete a arrived. I would like to complete a arrived. I would like to complete a second test. Yeah, that's a good idea. second test. Yeah, that's a good idea. second test. Yeah, that's a good idea. I've retested I've tested the one in my I've retested I've tested the one in my I've retested I've tested the one in my house. It's been okay as well. Um, which house. It's been okay as well. Um, which house. It's been okay as well. Um, which I think is encouraging for like over I think is encouraging for like over I think is encouraging for like over time they still are still I worry most time they still are still I worry most time they still are still I worry most mostly about like plastics from mostly about like plastics from mostly about like plastics from manufacturing like burning up in the manufacturing like burning up in the manufacturing like burning up in the heater or something. But one thing I do heater or something. But one thing I do heater or something. But one thing I do want to point out that that kind of want to point out that that kind of want to point out that that kind of freaks me out that I haven't seen much freaks me out that I haven't seen much freaks me out that I haven't seen much literature on is the idea of putting literature on is the idea of putting literature on is the idea of putting water on these rocks. So you'll go to a water on these rocks. So you'll go to a water on these rocks. So you'll go to a lot of saunas where people actually pour lot of saunas where people actually pour lot of saunas where people actually pour water onto the rocks and it's like, you water onto the rocks and it's like, you water onto the rocks and it's like, you know, obviously boiling and then the know, obviously boiling and then the know, obviously boiling and then the steam is going up into the air. Yeah. steam is going up into the air. Yeah. steam is going up into the air. Yeah. So, like I think are we being mindful of So, like I think are we being mindful of So, like I think are we being mindful of what kind of water we're putting on what kind of water we're putting on what kind of water we're putting on those rocks? Like is it straight tap those rocks? Like is it straight tap those rocks? Like is it straight tap water? Is it, you know, distilled water? water? Is it, you know, distilled water? water? Is it, you know, distilled water? Is it coming from a reverse osmosis Is it coming from a reverse osmosis Is it coming from a reverse osmosis filter? Like what's in that water? We filter? Like what's in that water? We filter? Like what's in that water? We already know there's POS in like every already know there's POS in like every already know there's POS in like every water system in in in the world. So, you water system in in in the world. So, you water system in in in the world. So, you know, like it's kind of kind of freaky know, like it's kind of kind of freaky know, like it's kind of kind of freaky like so for me, no water for me on the like so for me, no water for me on the like so for me, no water for me on the rocks, straight dry. Yeah, Mike, that's rocks, straight dry. Yeah, Mike, that's rocks, straight dry. Yeah, Mike, that's a great point. Yeah, that's something a great point. Yeah, that's something

43:00a great point. Yeah, that's something that would pass most people's filter as that would pass most people's filter as that would pass most people's filter as not something to think about, but you not something to think about, but you not something to think about, but you are correct that and based upon all the are correct that and based upon all the are correct that and based upon all the water we've tested, we know there are water we've tested, we know there are water we've tested, we know there are baseline contaminants in tap water in baseline contaminants in tap water in baseline contaminants in tap water in most city systems. Like they do of most city systems. Like they do of most city systems. Like they do of course have their own levels, but these course have their own levels, but these course have their own levels, but these reverse osmosis systems are much better. reverse osmosis systems are much better. reverse osmosis systems are much better. We actually need to publish that. We we We actually need to publish that. We we We actually need to publish that. We we have a a a diff to show what the system have a a a diff to show what the system have a a a diff to show what the system did. Um but yeah, it's also worth noting did. Um but yeah, it's also worth noting did. Um but yeah, it's also worth noting that we in talking to several companies that we in talking to several companies that we in talking to several companies that provide saunas, we asked them to do that provide saunas, we asked them to do that provide saunas, we asked them to do uh a te air quality test and uh they uh a te air quality test and uh they uh a te air quality test and uh they refused. So maybe it's just they didn't refused. So maybe it's just they didn't refused. So maybe it's just they didn't want to put forward the effort, but just want to put forward the effort, but just want to put forward the effort, but just something to be mindful of as you think something to be mindful of as you think something to be mindful of as you think about a sauna system of what are the about a sauna system of what are the about a sauna system of what are the contaminants of the the sauna uh in the contaminants of the the sauna uh in the contaminants of the the sauna uh in the air uh the water. So yeah, good good air uh the water. So yeah, good good air uh the water. So yeah, good good point. And is there any kind of point. And is there any kind of point. And is there any kind of protocol, Mike, for what to do with your protocol, Mike, for what to do with your protocol, Mike, for what to do with your sweat afterwards? Like, should you be sweat afterwards? Like, should you be sweat afterwards? Like, should you be showering immediately afterwards? Does showering immediately afterwards? Does showering immediately afterwards? Does it matter? Can that get reabsorbed back it matter? Can that get reabsorbed back it matter? Can that get reabsorbed back into your skin? I mean, I would shower into your skin? I mean, I would shower into your skin? I mean, I would shower immediately afterwards. Um, I guess for immediately afterwards. Um, I guess for

44:00immediately afterwards. Um, I guess for multiple reasons. One, you don't want to multiple reasons. One, you don't want to multiple reasons. One, you don't want to stink. stink. stink. So, you got to start your day. Uh, no. So, you got to start your day. Uh, no. So, you got to start your day. Uh, no. Yeah. Like, so there are there's metals, Yeah. Like, so there are there's metals, Yeah. Like, so there are there's metals, there's um there's plastic chemicals, there's um there's plastic chemicals, there's um there's plastic chemicals, there's, you know, all POS. All these there's, you know, all POS. All these there's, you know, all POS. All these things have been shown to be in your in things have been shown to be in your in things have been shown to be in your in your sweat like to the order of like, your sweat like to the order of like, your sweat like to the order of like, you know, 10 to 20 times the you know, 10 to 20 times the you know, 10 to 20 times the concentration that it's in your urine. concentration that it's in your urine. concentration that it's in your urine. So there's there's junk on you after you So there's there's junk on you after you So there's there's junk on you after you after you shower. You should or after after you shower. You should or after after you shower. You should or after you sauna, you should go shower and get you sauna, you should go shower and get you sauna, you should go shower and get that get that stuff off so that it that get that stuff off so that it that get that stuff off so that it doesn't get reabsorbed. In the sauna, I doesn't get reabsorbed. In the sauna, I doesn't get reabsorbed. In the sauna, I uh what do you think about this? So I uh what do you think about this? So I uh what do you think about this? So I have a talon there where I wipe the have a talon there where I wipe the have a talon there where I wipe the sweat off me at some kind of regular sweat off me at some kind of regular sweat off me at some kind of regular basis with the idea that uh if you basis with the idea that uh if you basis with the idea that uh if you don't, it reabsorbs. don't, it reabsorbs. don't, it reabsorbs. Is is that possible? It's a good Is is that possible? It's a good Is is that possible? It's a good question. I don't think you would be I question. I don't think you would be I question. I don't think you would be I think you're producing so much sweat at think you're producing so much sweat at think you're producing so much sweat at that point that you're just like it's that point that you're just like it's that point that you're just like it's it's mostly just going one direction. it's mostly just going one direction. it's mostly just going one direction. It's one directional. So, it's an It's one directional. So, it's an It's one directional. So, it's an interesting theory. I'm not sure that interesting theory. I'm not sure that interesting theory. I'm not sure that it's as important as just like getting it's as important as just like getting it's as important as just like getting getting in the shower after the sauna, getting in the shower after the sauna, getting in the shower after the sauna, but I can't refute it by in any way. And

45:00but I can't refute it by in any way. And but I can't refute it by in any way. And by the way, if if any of you any of you by the way, if if any of you any of you by the way, if if any of you any of you out there know of a company that can out there know of a company that can out there know of a company that can test my sweat for toxins, we have been test my sweat for toxins, we have been test my sweat for toxins, we have been trying to find somebody that can do that trying to find somebody that can do that trying to find somebody that can do that because we we want to like all things. because we we want to like all things. because we we want to like all things. We'd like to see if we can not just look We'd like to see if we can not just look We'd like to see if we can not just look at it from a before and after uh blood at it from a before and after uh blood at it from a before and after uh blood toxin level, but also just on a daily toxin level, but also just on a daily toxin level, but also just on a daily basis, what if any toxins are excreted basis, what if any toxins are excreted basis, what if any toxins are excreted in a daily session? Maybe we maybe you in a daily session? Maybe we maybe you in a daily session? Maybe we maybe you could just sweat into a tube and we can could just sweat into a tube and we can could just sweat into a tube and we can send it into the company as urine and send it into the company as urine and send it into the company as urine and they won't notice. Yeah, agreed. they won't notice. Yeah, agreed. they won't notice. Yeah, agreed. Honestly, that's a really good idea. I Honestly, that's a really good idea. I Honestly, that's a really good idea. I mean, I definitely I mean, it's 18 mean, I definitely I mean, it's 18 mean, I definitely I mean, it's 18 ounces, right? So, in in a given ounces, right? So, in in a given ounces, right? So, in in a given session, it is basically the same volume session, it is basically the same volume session, it is basically the same volume as a urine sample. I mean, having sat as a urine sample. I mean, having sat as a urine sample. I mean, having sat next to you, like I could definitely next to you, like I could definitely next to you, like I could definitely just put a put a tube next to your arm just put a put a tube next to your arm just put a put a tube next to your arm and it would just strip it. Yeah, it was and it would just strip it. Yeah, it was and it would just strip it. Yeah, it was a lot of sweat. Yeah. You can also sell a lot of sweat. Yeah. You can also sell a lot of sweat. Yeah. You can also sell it on eBay, you know. Um, what a good it on eBay, you know. Um, what a good it on eBay, you know. Um, what a good insight because I wonder what the insight because I wonder what the insight because I wonder what the minimum volume sample size requirement

46:00minimum volume sample size requirement minimum volume sample size requirement is for a urine toxin test. They give you is for a urine toxin test. They give you is for a urine toxin test. They give you I don't know what volume is those little I don't know what volume is those little I don't know what volume is those little containers, but it's probably something containers, but it's probably something containers, but it's probably something like four or five ounces. Yeah. If like four or five ounces. Yeah. If like four or five ounces. Yeah. If they're if they're checking for like they're if they're checking for like they're if they're checking for like your creatinine in the sample though, your creatinine in the sample though, your creatinine in the sample though, you probably fail it because it's not you probably fail it because it's not you probably fail it because it's not unless you mixed it with some urine. We unless you mixed it with some urine. We unless you mixed it with some urine. We did some calculations or something. did some calculations or something. did some calculations or something. Yeah. They they would um Yeah. They like Yeah. They they would um Yeah. They like Yeah. They they would um Yeah. They like immediately email us be like friends immediately email us be like friends immediately email us be like friends this this isn't something's wrong. Yeah. this this isn't something's wrong. Yeah. this this isn't something's wrong. Yeah. Some Yeah. Either you have to go to the Some Yeah. Either you have to go to the Some Yeah. Either you have to go to the ER immediately or you've given us a ER immediately or you've given us a ER immediately or you've given us a sample that is not urine. Yeah. We sample that is not urine. Yeah. We sample that is not urine. Yeah. We should reach out to them and see. Maybe should reach out to them and see. Maybe should reach out to them and see. Maybe they'd be down to do this experiment. they'd be down to do this experiment. they'd be down to do this experiment. Yeah. I So let's get it. Let's um let's Yeah. I So let's get it. Let's um let's Yeah. I So let's get it. Let's um let's try it. We'll see what the minimum try it. We'll see what the minimum try it. We'll see what the minimum sample volume is and then we'll see if sample volume is and then we'll see if sample volume is and then we'll see if we can collect that amount. I mean, it's we can collect that amount. I mean, it's we can collect that amount. I mean, it's gonna be hard because the 18 ounces of gonna be hard because the 18 ounces of gonna be hard because the 18 ounces of is spread throughout my entire body and is spread throughout my entire body and is spread throughout my entire body and so I have to find a way to collect that so I have to find a way to collect that so I have to find a way to collect that in you're also getting a lot of skin in you're also getting a lot of skin in you're also getting a lot of skin cells too. So, um yeah. Anyway, okay. cells too. So, um yeah. Anyway, okay.

47:00cells too. So, um yeah. Anyway, okay. And are we doing a microplastics test? I And are we doing a microplastics test? I And are we doing a microplastics test? I know we're doing PAS specifically, but know we're doing PAS specifically, but know we're doing PAS specifically, but are we doing microplastics in the blood? are we doing microplastics in the blood? are we doing microplastics in the blood? Yeah. Yeah, we have been doing it Yeah. Yeah, we have been doing it Yeah. Yeah, we have been doing it routinely. We have some good routinely. We have some good routinely. We have some good microplastic data recently on Yep. on microplastic data recently on Yep. on microplastic data recently on Yep. on several things. several things. several things. Next episode from live from the sauna. Next episode from live from the sauna. Next episode from live from the sauna. That one was hot. That one was hot. That one was hot. Steamy. Mike, do you do you have access Steamy. Mike, do you do you have access Steamy. Mike, do you do you have access to a sauna? Do you have one at your to a sauna? Do you have one at your to a sauna? Do you have one at your home? Yeah. Yeah, I've got one in the home? Yeah. Yeah, I've got one in the home? Yeah. Yeah, I've got one in the garage. Do you Is it um what temperature garage. Do you Is it um what temperature garage. Do you Is it um what temperature do you do it at? Uh depends on like how do you do it at? Uh depends on like how do you do it at? Uh depends on like how soon I remember to turn it on. But soon I remember to turn it on. But soon I remember to turn it on. But anywhere from like 170 to I I've seen anywhere from like 170 to I I've seen anywhere from like 170 to I I've seen it. 212 is the highest I've seen it. At it. 212 is the highest I've seen it. At it. 212 is the highest I've seen it. At that point, your eyes feel like they're that point, your eyes feel like they're that point, your eyes feel like they're melting. Yeah. Yeah. I think maybe melting. Yeah. Yeah. I think maybe melting. Yeah. Yeah. I think maybe there's like diminishing returns at that there's like diminishing returns at that there's like diminishing returns at that point. Uh yeah, usually around like I'm point. Uh yeah, usually around like I'm point. Uh yeah, usually around like I'm usually around 180 190. Yeah. And how usually around 180 190. Yeah. And how usually around 180 190. Yeah. And how often do you do it? Uh I would say on often do you do it? Uh I would say on often do you do it? Uh I would say on average I get in there like two to three average I get in there like two to three average I get in there like two to three times a week. I would like to do it times a week. I would like to do it times a week. I would like to do it more. I would like to do it four plus. more. I would like to do it four plus. more. I would like to do it four plus. Like the data really shows like four is

48:00Like the data really shows like four is Like the data really shows like four is where you're getting like really good where you're getting like really good where you're getting like really good impact. Yeah. So that's where I'd like impact. Yeah. So that's where I'd like impact. Yeah. So that's where I'd like to be. Yeah. Kate, do you have sauna as to be. Yeah. Kate, do you have sauna as to be. Yeah. Kate, do you have sauna as part of your daily life protocol? I part of your daily life protocol? I part of your daily life protocol? I don't have sauna as part of my daily don't have sauna as part of my daily don't have sauna as part of my daily life protocol. I have space on my roof. life protocol. I have space on my roof. life protocol. I have space on my roof. I could get a sauna. I could get a sauna. I could get a sauna. Maybe I'll wait to see your results. Maybe I'll wait to see your results. Maybe I'll wait to see your results. Yeah, roof sauna. Sounds pretty good. Yeah, roof sauna. Sounds pretty good. Yeah, roof sauna. Sounds pretty good. Are are you not persuaded by the the Are are you not persuaded by the the Are are you not persuaded by the the evidence we presented today and the evidence we presented today and the evidence we presented today and the initial results? I'm all in just for the initial results? I'm all in just for the initial results? I'm all in just for the experience of it, like the feeling of experience of it, like the feeling of experience of it, like the feeling of being in the sauna, but I would love to being in the sauna, but I would love to being in the sauna, but I would love to also see all your results just because also see all your results just because also see all your results just because you love the heat. Love the heat. Yes. you love the heat. Love the heat. Yes. you love the heat. Love the heat. Yes. The heat is my friend. I mean, you grew The heat is my friend. I mean, you grew The heat is my friend. I mean, you grew up in Australia and you basically was in up in Australia and you basically was in up in Australia and you basically was in a sauna. Yeah. Right. The atmosphere. a sauna. Yeah. Right. The atmosphere. a sauna. Yeah. Right. The atmosphere. Yeah. And you were you were in the sun Yeah. And you were you were in the sun Yeah. And you were you were in the sun constantly, right? That was your Yeah. constantly, right? That was your Yeah. constantly, right? That was your Yeah. Lots of beauty UV damage. I went back Lots of beauty UV damage. I went back Lots of beauty UV damage. I went back home recently and it was like 13 UV, home recently and it was like 13 UV, home recently and it was like 13 UV, which is just wild. I think the top of which is just wild. I think the top of which is just wild. I think the top of the range is 15. And that was just a the range is 15. And that was just a the range is 15. And that was just a everyday kind of situation growing up.

49:00everyday kind of situation growing up. everyday kind of situation growing up. So, and did the people you saw, did your So, and did the people you saw, did your So, and did the people you saw, did your friends, did they have a similar sun friends, did they have a similar sun friends, did they have a similar sun kind of a a routine style? They just kind of a a routine style? They just kind of a a routine style? They just just uh spend time in the sun without just uh spend time in the sun without just uh spend time in the sun without thinking twice about it. Yeah. I mean, thinking twice about it. Yeah. I mean, thinking twice about it. Yeah. I mean, you met my sister. She came over to you met my sister. She came over to you met my sister. She came over to Brian's house last week and we all hung Brian's house last week and we all hung Brian's house last week and we all hung out and we did our usual routine which out and we did our usual routine which out and we did our usual routine which is we show people what their skin age is is we show people what their skin age is is we show people what their skin age is using the multisspectral imaging and she using the multisspectral imaging and she using the multisspectral imaging and she came back with pretty significant UV came back with pretty significant UV came back with pretty significant UV damage which correlates with the damage which correlates with the damage which correlates with the experience that we had both growing up experience that we had both growing up experience that we had both growing up where we'd go lay in the sun at midday where we'd go lay in the sun at midday where we'd go lay in the sun at midday and try and get a tan. So yeah, and try and get a tan. So yeah, and try and get a tan. So yeah, definitely wasn't a good situation. But definitely wasn't a good situation. But definitely wasn't a good situation. But unlike me, I've kind of gone down this unlike me, I've kind of gone down this unlike me, I've kind of gone down this path of now boarding the sun. She still path of now boarding the sun. She still path of now boarding the sun. She still seeks the sun every day. And so it's seeks the sun every day. And so it's seeks the sun every day. And so it's really interesting to see the difference really interesting to see the difference really interesting to see the difference in audit. Yeah. Mike, have you done this in audit. Yeah. Mike, have you done this in audit. Yeah. Mike, have you done this the skin age test? I have. Yeah. I the skin age test? I have. Yeah. I the skin age test? I have. Yeah. I didn't do great. I didn't do great. Did didn't do great. I didn't do great. Did didn't do great. I didn't do great. Did you spend a lot of time? So I It wasn't you spend a lot of time? So I It wasn't you spend a lot of time? So I It wasn't terrible. I I like I hit my age terrible. I I like I hit my age terrible. I I like I hit my age perfectly except for the left side from

50:00perfectly except for the left side from perfectly except for the left side from driving was two years higher than the driving was two years higher than the driving was two years higher than the right side. Um so from driving a car right side. Um so from driving a car right side. Um so from driving a car like sun sun exposure car. Um, and then like sun sun exposure car. Um, and then like sun sun exposure car. Um, and then but I hit my age perfectly, which is but I hit my age perfectly, which is but I hit my age perfectly, which is very different than all all my other very different than all all my other very different than all all my other aging tests are generally like seven, aging tests are generally like seven, aging tests are generally like seven, eight years lower. So, but for skin, I'm eight years lower. So, but for skin, I'm eight years lower. So, but for skin, I'm like right at my age, which is like right at my age, which is like right at my age, which is unfortunate. You know, I I can't get my unfortunate. You know, I I can't get my unfortunate. You know, I I can't get my daughter to daughter to daughter to embrace the embrace the embrace the the nurse on life, the vampire life. the nurse on life, the vampire life. the nurse on life, the vampire life. Well, it's not it's not even the vampire Well, it's not it's not even the vampire Well, it's not it's not even the vampire life. It I would say just it's something life. It I would say just it's something life. It I would say just it's something much softer. It's just to acknowledge much softer. It's just to acknowledge much softer. It's just to acknowledge that there's a tradeoff in the sun that that there's a tradeoff in the sun that that there's a tradeoff in the sun that yes, it feels great and yes, there's a yes, it feels great and yes, there's a yes, it feels great and yes, there's a cultural pressure in America to be, you cultural pressure in America to be, you cultural pressure in America to be, you know, to be tan for like in her social know, to be tan for like in her social know, to be tan for like in her social world. Also, it comes at a cost later in world. Also, it comes at a cost later in world. Also, it comes at a cost later in life. And of course, when you're in your life. And of course, when you're in your life. And of course, when you're in your teens, the last thing that you think is teens, the last thing that you think is teens, the last thing that you think is ever going to happen is you're not going ever going to happen is you're not going ever going to happen is you're not going to be in your teens, right?

51:00to be in your teens, right? to be in your teens, right? you you you you think that your entire life you're you think that your entire life you're you think that your entire life you're going to be a teenager and then of going to be a teenager and then of going to be a teenager and then of course when your 20s and 30s come it's course when your 20s and 30s come it's course when your 20s and 30s come it's like oh actually something happens after like oh actually something happens after like oh actually something happens after teenage life and so I just I have she teenage life and so I just I have she teenage life and so I just I have she she messaged me the day she's like dad she messaged me the day she's like dad she messaged me the day she's like dad you're going to be really proud of me I you're going to be really proud of me I you're going to be really proud of me I went out in the sun for three hours I went out in the sun for three hours I went out in the sun for three hours I had sunscreen on and I was like had sunscreen on and I was like had sunscreen on and I was like Genevieve you're right like I'm really Genevieve you're right like I'm really Genevieve you're right like I'm really proud of you great job and then she said proud of you great job and then she said proud of you great job and then she said but the other day I also spent two hours but the other day I also spent two hours but the other day I also spent two hours in the sun I didn't have sunscreen on in the sun I didn't have sunscreen on in the sun I didn't have sunscreen on and I also felt fine about that. So I and I also felt fine about that. So I and I also felt fine about that. So I was like, she's like, "Dad, I don't see was like, she's like, "Dad, I don't see was like, she's like, "Dad, I don't see the difference." Like I don't know if the difference." Like I don't know if the difference." Like I don't know if what you're saying is accurate. So it's what you're saying is accurate. So it's what you're saying is accurate. So it's it's a battle I'm waging. I'm not quite it's a battle I'm waging. I'm not quite it's a battle I'm waging. I'm not quite sure how I'm doing. I think I'm losing. sure how I'm doing. I think I'm losing. sure how I'm doing. I think I'm losing. How old is she? Well, she's 15. Okay. So How old is she? Well, she's 15. Okay. So How old is she? Well, she's 15. Okay. So you're just you're planting you're you're just you're planting you're you're just you're planting you're planting seeds that will like later planting seeds that will like later planting seeds that will like later blossom. Hopefully in her early 20s when blossom. Hopefully in her early 20s when blossom. Hopefully in her early 20s when her frontal lobe develops. her frontal lobe develops. her frontal lobe develops. Well, she she was like, "Dad, I'm I'm Well, she she was like, "Dad, I'm I'm Well, she she was like, "Dad, I'm I'm just going to Well, I won't say what she just going to Well, I won't say what she just going to Well, I won't say what she said, but like she had in her mind that said, but like she had in her mind that said, but like she had in her mind that there was like something that adults do

52:00there was like something that adults do there was like something that adults do to address it. I'm like, that that to address it. I'm like, that that to address it. I'm like, that that actually doesn't address the problem. actually doesn't address the problem. actually doesn't address the problem. Like, it's going to cause your skin to Like, it's going to cause your skin to Like, it's going to cause your skin to just what? You have to tell us cuz now just what? You have to tell us cuz now just what? You have to tell us cuz now it's like this mystery like, well, what it's like this mystery like, well, what it's like this mystery like, well, what is it? I just I mean, I'm just imagining is it? I just I mean, I'm just imagining is it? I just I mean, I'm just imagining her like somehow finding out that I her like somehow finding out that I her like somehow finding out that I talked about her on a podcast and she's talked about her on a podcast and she's talked about her on a podcast and she's like, "Dad, you can't say that stuff." like, "Dad, you can't say that stuff." like, "Dad, you can't say that stuff." And so, I was like trying to play it And so, I was like trying to play it And so, I was like trying to play it out. So without violating her trust, she out. So without violating her trust, she out. So without violating her trust, she was imagining something that adults do was imagining something that adults do was imagining something that adults do for their skin. She's like, "I'll just for their skin. She's like, "I'll just for their skin. She's like, "I'll just do that as if it's a cure." I was like, do that as if it's a cure." I was like, do that as if it's a cure." I was like, "Actually, it doesn't solve that "Actually, it doesn't solve that "Actually, it doesn't solve that problem. When your skin sags and problem. When your skin sags and problem. When your skin sags and wrinkles and discolors, it's wrinkles and discolors, it's wrinkles and discolors, it's complicated. You have to do a whole complicated. You have to do a whole complicated. You have to do a whole bunch of stuff and even those things bunch of stuff and even those things bunch of stuff and even those things don't really work." And she's like, don't really work." And she's like, don't really work." And she's like, "Then I'll get brand new skin." And I "Then I'll get brand new skin." And I "Then I'll get brand new skin." And I was like, "I don't know. I don't know if was like, "I don't know. I don't know if was like, "I don't know. I don't know if you can do that yet." I mean, like maybe you can do that yet." I mean, like maybe you can do that yet." I mean, like maybe in in 10 years, but like So that was a in in 10 years, but like So that was a in in 10 years, but like So that was a hard one. was kind of like it's a good hard one. was kind of like it's a good hard one. was kind of like it's a good point. Like maybe you're right. Maybe point. Like maybe you're right. Maybe point. Like maybe you're right. Maybe you're right. Possible. you're right. Possible. you're right. Possible. Yeah. It's also interesting, last note, Yeah. It's also interesting, last note, Yeah. It's also interesting, last note, is that it's so hard to walk this fine

53:00is that it's so hard to walk this fine is that it's so hard to walk this fine line of worrying about aging versus line of worrying about aging versus line of worrying about aging versus wanting to be your optimal healthy self. wanting to be your optimal healthy self. wanting to be your optimal healthy self. Yeah. I think that's the thing is like Yeah. I think that's the thing is like Yeah. I think that's the thing is like we don't want to scare her into worrying we don't want to scare her into worrying we don't want to scare her into worrying about sagging skin because that's about sagging skin because that's about sagging skin because that's ultimately not the problem really. It's ultimately not the problem really. It's ultimately not the problem really. It's really about just being able to feel and really about just being able to feel and really about just being able to feel and act your healthiest and best self. Yeah. act your healthiest and best self. Yeah. act your healthiest and best self. Yeah. I mean, the thing is though, like, so I I mean, the thing is though, like, so I I mean, the thing is though, like, so I agree with you. And what creates that agree with you. And what creates that agree with you. And what creates that tension is when society has a norm that tension is when society has a norm that tension is when society has a norm that to behave a certain way is accepted and to behave a certain way is accepted and to behave a certain way is accepted and desirable, then if you don't behave that desirable, then if you don't behave that desirable, then if you don't behave that way, then you're weird and you're way, then you're weird and you're way, then you're weird and you're missing out. But if the default were missing out. But if the default were missing out. But if the default were actually positive, then we wouldn't have actually positive, then we wouldn't have actually positive, then we wouldn't have this tension. And so there is definitely this tension. And so there is definitely this tension. And so there is definitely an appropriate place for sun in life and an appropriate place for sun in life and an appropriate place for sun in life and just not too much, not too little, but a just not too much, not too little, but a just not too much, not too little, but a nice balance. I feel like Asia has done nice balance. I feel like Asia has done nice balance. I feel like Asia has done a much better job finding that balance a much better job finding that balance a much better job finding that balance where America is like leather skin, you where America is like leather skin, you where America is like leather skin, you know, like more towards that side of the

54:00know, like more towards that side of the know, like more towards that side of the spectrum. And so I think just we we're spectrum. And so I think just we we're spectrum. And so I think just we we're just off on the default of where the just off on the default of where the just off on the default of where the appropriate balance is for these various appropriate balance is for these various appropriate balance is for these various things. And that creates the tension things. And that creates the tension things. And that creates the tension that most people then say do I live life that most people then say do I live life that most people then say do I live life or do I do this other thing and they or do I do this other thing and they or do I do this other thing and they create this this binary dichotomy in create this this binary dichotomy in create this this binary dichotomy in their mind which isn't the proper their mind which isn't the proper their mind which isn't the proper representation of uh of the representation of uh of the representation of uh of the consideration set. For those of you consideration set. For those of you consideration set. For those of you listening um I want to remind you I'm listening um I want to remind you I'm listening um I want to remind you I'm doing this not because I think this doing this not because I think this doing this not because I think this stuff is going to help me live forever. stuff is going to help me live forever. stuff is going to help me live forever. I'm doing this stuff because I think I'm doing this stuff because I think I'm doing this stuff because I think this is the move as a species that if we this is the move as a species that if we this is the move as a species that if we care about the human race, our care about the human race, our care about the human race, our individual selves and the human race individual selves and the human race individual selves and the human race existing, I think we need to turn away existing, I think we need to turn away existing, I think we need to turn away from death in all of its forms and we from death in all of its forms and we from death in all of its forms and we can find new ways of meaning. So it can find new ways of meaning. So it can find new ways of meaning. So it really is like it's yes, there's like a really is like it's yes, there's like a really is like it's yes, there's like a practical social societal how I live my practical social societal how I live my practical social societal how I live my day life on a daily basis. Also, it's in day life on a daily basis. Also, it's in day life on a daily basis. Also, it's in this larger context and so I just didn't this larger context and so I just didn't this larger context and so I just didn't want people to walk away thinking that want people to walk away thinking that want people to walk away thinking that feeling burdened with this tension of feeling burdened with this tension of feeling burdened with this tension of like what do I do daily and then how do like what do I do daily and then how do like what do I do daily and then how do I think about this larger perspective.

55:00I think about this larger perspective. I think about this larger perspective. This is the don't don't die podcast. So This is the don't don't die podcast. So This is the don't don't die podcast. So cool. All right. Thanks you guys. Okay. cool. All right. Thanks you guys. Okay. cool. All right. Thanks you guys. Okay. See you next week.

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